Talk:Ug Ogg Shields

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I seem to be having issues with this template - specifically the coverage/to hit columns. I added a small buckler (arms and hands only) but it ends up with the chest column marked and the coverage matches a shield with hands, arms and chest coverage. Thanks. Quotid (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

After looking at other shields I think this is not a y/n question, so I removed the Coverage-chest line completely and it seems to now be correct. Quotid (talk) 03:42, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Yes, sorry, it was implemented that way, if you put a line with any value that coverage is present, by removing the line it is no longer present. It is confusing, I could change it to compare against 'y'.

--Frazyl (talk) 10:46, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

It should work now with covers-* =n
--Frazyl (talk) 11:56, 12 July 2017 (EDT)


So the data here, and some research quow has shown me, clearly indicate that there's only really 7 distinct shield types (which can be made in different materials and qualities of course).

I.e. for each of the three sizes, small medium (none) and large, there are multiple type-adjectives (round,square, tower buckler etc.), but all of those type adjectives fall into one of two categories e.g. a small/none/large round shield is always lighter than a small/none/large tower shield, but the same weight as a small/none/large buckler. Same goes for size and vurdere.

This essentially boils down to the fact that each size has only two effectively different, non-cosmetic types, a lighter and a heavier.

Additionally, the large size has a third non-cosmetically different type, which is the wall shield, for a total of 7 types.

I don't really know how to use the templates here to convey this concisely, but perhaps a simple way would be to delete all the cosmetic variations and replace them with the 7 types written out as:

Small klatchian steel <light shield>

Small leather <heavy shield>

Etc. with a tool tip or obvious note explaining which type adjectives are covered by <light shield> and <heavy shield>?

It would be more concise and less spammy, especially when transcluded to the main shields page.

--Pokey

It could be condensed, but quality changes the weight a little bit and material changes it a lot, so still lots of variation. Showing different descriptions for options is still good, though they could be showed on the same line in the tooltip.
If I read it right we'd have those seven types of shield based on Endorphin's_Floating_Friend#Custom_Shields:
  1. small buckler/diamond/targe/circle/disc/round/two star/square/(just shield)
  2. small aegis/kite/teardrop/oval/heater/three star/rectangular/scutum/tower
  3. medium buckler/diamond/targe/circle/disc/round/two star/square/(just shield)
  4. medium aegis/kite/teardrop/oval/heater/three star/rectangular/scutum/tower
  5. large buckler/diamond/targe/circle/disc/round/two star/square/(just shield)
  6. large aegis/kite/teardrop/oval/heater/three star/rectangular/scutum/tower
  7. large wall
So with material and quality that would be 7 x 4 x 5 = 140 shields for all variations.
Footnotes could be used to have only, say, aegis to mean all the others that are the same.
I'll do that when I have the time.
--Frazyl (talk) 13:13, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
Actually different materials have the same weight, but not the same vurdere, so we still need those as different lines. So that's either 11 if we combine brass and metal (only differing by cost which we don't track) or 12 materials if there's a reason to keep them separate.
7 x 11 x 5 = 385 shields
--Frazyl (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
Ah I didn't realise the EFF page had already categorised things like this, but yeah that's exactly the thing I was thinking. Overall I was only thinking of recording 'effective' shield types, which I realise is a fairly subjective approach. By this I mean 7x Premium Klatchian steel types, 7x Premium leather types and 7x Premium wood types (this gives a full coverage of the weight/size range). I figure if you're interested in weight for EFF then you'd go to the EFF page, but if you're interested in weight/size/vurdere you'd come to this page, and maybe be less interested in suboptimal shields... again being suuuuuuper subjective.

Pokey (talk) 15:54, 27 March 2018 (EDT) Pokey (talk) 15:54, 27 March 2018 (EDT)