Talk:Quilting block

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What's the difference between block colour and applique colour? Does part of the colour disappear once it's used as a quilting block? When I tore a pair of pleated blue hakama, I got a quilting block with this description:

This quilting block is made from pleated cobalt blue cotton.

ETA: Oh... it's the short description? --Ilde 01:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Actually logged myself in for once. Okay, unconfused myself. Tweaked columns a bit to the short description (what is seen when block is in inventory) and a long desc (what is seen when look/examine the block, applique, OR appliqued block). --Groth

Splitting table up

Hmmmm... how about splitting it up into a "things where short and expanded colours of blocks are both exactly the same as in the item's short description" (like "white peasant shirt"-->"white", way too long a name for it but you know what I mean) table and one for things where one or both block colours aren't exactly the same as in the item name? Then the "colours are what you'd expect" table could be shorter--it'd just need item name, number of blocks, and fabric. The ones with block colours that are different from the colours in the item names are the more interesting/relevant ones in my opinion, since if it's in the short description, you can find things just by searching Kefka's database. (Though the second table is still necessary to see what's already been checked, of course.)

Or would that be too difficult/annoying to navigate? I mean, if you were looking for something that you could get dark blue blocks from, you'd have to check both tables.

Or what about splitting it up by fabric type? I guess one for cotton, one for linen, one for silk, one for velvet, and one for everything else (until/unless other fabrics get enough items). Of course, that's only sensible if you generally want to make quilts of all one fabric.

I'm not sure splitting it up by item type is a great way to go, though... it's convenient for adding items (as long as the categories are clear-cut enough that you know exactly where something goes and don't have to check multiple places to see if it's already there), but not for looking anything up. If you wanted to see... say... what items you could get blue silk blocks from, or what your options were for a velvet quilt, you'd have to look in every table to make sure you didn't miss anything. Having one huge table is unwieldy, but at least you can sort the whole list by any column you're interested in and get all the relevant info in one go. (On a similar note, maybe expanding out the <color> ones would be a good idea... yeah, it's pretty... uncompressed... but with the colours in footnotes, if you're looking for something specific, you have to check every <color> item too.)

(Erm... and when I say "how about", I mean it as more of a "how would it be if I did this (unless someone beats me to it)", rather than a "how about you do a bunch of work". Aheh.)

ETA: Oh... hmmm... I actually just thought of something else. We could split up the table in whatever way, as long as each table has all the same columns, and then have, on another page, a massive master table that automatically pulls from the smaller tables here and doesn't have to be updated separately. It would use Template:Include and basically be like what I just made with Test tables combined (that pulls from Test tables). So we get something that's convenient for adding things and something that's convenient for looking things up.

--Ilde 06:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

ETA: I made a template for expanding out a <colour> item:

Clothing Item Number of Blocks Material Short Description Expanded Description
<Colour> item 7 Cotton <Colour> <Colour>
<Colour> item 2 9 Silk <Colour> <Colour>

So you just keep adding colours to the end (up to 20) and it does the copy-and-paste stuff for you. --Ilde 21:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I definitely like the idea shown in the test tables, with a page elsewhere holding the blocks by sections - which makes it easy to add to - and then another page (i.e., this one) displaying for a person to search/expand to their hearts' content if looking for particular material/color for that extra-special quilt. The 'thou can't make blocks of these items' list needs some work too, but the quilting blocks one is more important, in my opinion. --Groth

What about expanding the <colour> items out? If necessary I think I could make it so that the actual colours would only show up on the huge table and they just show up as they've been showing up here.
What kind of work? I mean, what would make it better? Maybe having them in a table instead of a straight list, with "reason you can't tear it into blocks" listed? It would be annoying to go back and do all the ones that are already there, but we could just start out with those having the reason blank.
--Ilde 04:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Bugged Clothes and Quilting Blocks

There appear to be a number of items that are bugged: they test to be able to be torn into bandages and/or blocks, but while they can then be torn into strips, the quilting blocks do not happen. I've bug-repped a few, but some items on the 'do not work' list may, in fact, be valid quilting materials...if they could be torn.

Some examples include: red smock (it bothered me why other smocks could be torn, but not the red one), dark skirt, and old green cloak. I'm sure there are more.


Hmmmmm... the ones you get the "The <thing> would not make a suitable quilting block." message for? Or do you get a different message? I'd noticed that the "The <thing> robe would not make a suitable quilting block" still had tear test saying they could be torn up, but I thought that was a problem with the tear command... that it wasn't checking whether things were the wrong shape (which I figured was what that message meant (since there are separate ones for it being too small/the wrong material)) before giving the number of blocks. You could be right, though. It is strange that a red smock wouldn't be tearable, when other colours with the same description are. --Ilde 06:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
ETA: Apparently the thing where "tear test" says it would make quilting blocks, but you can't actually tear it into blocks, is fixed now! (Also, apparently "Items with no colour can't be made into blocks", so maybe that's what the "would not make a suitable quilting block" message is about. I know colour shows up in appraise for some things, so presumably it'd be easy to see whether something has a colour and if not, mark that as the reason.) --Ilde 23:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
ETA 2: And bugrepping otherwise tearable clothes without any colour wouldn't hurt, looks like you had the right idea. --Ilde 06:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Clothing-expanding template

I've made a template for expanding randonly-coloured clothes. You use it like this:

|{{Clothing|<Adjective> <colour> towel|11|Cotton|cobalt blue, golden brown, ivory white, light indigo}}

Fairly self-explanatory, I hope. The first argument is what you want the name to be, the second is the number of blocks, third is the material, fourth is a list of the colours it shows up in. Colours must be delineated with commas (that's what it uses to expand), and you shouldn't put any kind of punctuation on the end.

On List of quilting block clothes, it expands it, doing a row for each colour. On any other page, it shows up as one row, and the possible colours are listed in a tooltip (I wanted to do them as footnotes, but it seems you can't use parameters inside of ref tags... when I tried, it would show {{{1}}} instead of the parameter. So, existing tooltips will need to be moved to footnotes).

ETA: Oh, and if you want the "colours this is not true for" bit, add another parameter:

|{{Clothing|[adjective] <colour> cheongsam|5|Silk|dark green, green, pink|pearl-white}}

That only affects the condensed version.

--Ilde 03:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Non Quilting Block Clothes

Yesterday's edit: "Swag bag an 'accessory' - does not belong in list; likewise silver headband is headwear". With the swag bag off, I'm wondering what counts as an accessory. So far most of the accessories are there because they're too small to be torn into quilting blocks (I think). It would make sense that the swag bag is an accessory too, except that an appraisal says it's pretty big (two and a half feet by two feet). Silk backpacks from Hong Fa can be torn into quilting blocks but would likely be considered accessories if they couldn't. So... these categories of items work most of the time, but not always. Ha, making mountain out of molehill.

--Tabs 09:36, 13 February 2011 (UTC)