Talk:Pragi's Fiery Gaze

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Damage & Speed Variable Factors + Upgraded Damage Formulas

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The text by Lucifer has been moved here to keep it at the same place as the discussion. As far as I understand it is more of a theory, it contains no actual research data and is at odds with previous established research. --Frazyl (talk) 23:02, 4 February 2022 (EST)

content under the heading "Damage & Speed Variable Factors + Upgraded Damage Formulas" looks interesting, but also looks like it belongs in 'research' until the verified and unverified parts can be unpicked from each other.

Pokey (talk) 07:50, 3 February 2022 (EST)

Definitely. I asked people on the wizards talker what they thought about this, and everyone said it was conjecture and probably untrue. The author, Lucifer, had recently been asking basic newbie questions, so it's odd that he would have knowledge of spellcasting mechanics that exceeds anyone else. It goes against the research Quow and others have done on offensive spell damage.
The article implies that raising something like magic.methods.physical.brewing would increase PFG's damage because it increases the root skills of,, and the magic skill tree. It also implies that you'll do more damage with all weapons by increasing other melee skills than the one you're using, because doing so increases your root skill. Pokey, you've done a lot of research on weapon damage. Does this sound right to you?
Helia (talk) 18:42, 3 February 2022 (EST)
Certainly damage and AP are not affected by anything but the melee skill. The numbers are too precisely bang on across too many data sets taken by too many people to say otherwise. i.e. if there *is* an effect from other skills it is so extremely small as to be inconsequential (this is me leaning very strongly towards 'no', this isnt a thing). That doesn't *necessarily* rule out the skill check against opponent's defence being modified somehow - the way I've tested for modifiers doesn't rule it out either - but the way it's phrased in this entry is certainly a lot more sure than I am!
Pokey (talk) 08:29, 4 February 2022 (EST)
For my 2c if it contradicts Quow's research then it's unlikely to be true, and if it's not true for magic then it seems vanishingly unlikely it's true for melee.
Pokey (talk) 13:31, 4 February 2022 (EST)
I spoke with Quow about this article. He provided me with hard data that completely debunks its claims. He has done extensive research on spellcasting spanning years in the PK combat arena to get real damage numbers. Over the past 6 months, he increased all of his elemental skills so high that his bonus in is 180 higher than it previously was, and he notes that his damage with PFG is exactly the same as before. I think this, along with Pokey's data about fighting damage, debunks the article beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Helia (talk) 04:09, 5 February 2022 (EST)