Talk:Mama Kolydina's Instant Infestation

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Info needed

Question time!

Which skill or skills affect the type of bug you get?

Also, what bugs are out there, and what is their order of effectiveness?

-Taepha 10:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Table of bug bits

Chat: I've now transplanted the table that was here into insects - please make any future changes there.

Other information

  • 'shields' message: 'You are surrounded by a [swarm size] of [insect type].'
  • Message when swarm size decreases: 'As the bugs around you fall, you realise you are now only surrounded by a [swarm size] of [insect type].'
  • Some bugs-under-attack messages:
    • 'The stiff remains of insects part from the swarm and flutter to the ground.'
    • 'A fraction of the swarm's myriad of members drop down lifelessly, the essence crushed from their frail bodies.'
    • 'Some cadaverous exoskeletons crash to the ground.'
    • 'Some of the swatted bugs spiral gracelessly to the ground, only to be trampled on.'
  • Bug shield down due to damage: 'The last of the injured [bugs] surrounding you crash to the ground.'
  • Bug shield down due to boredom: 'The [bugs] surrounding you scatter in different directions and fly off.'
  • When flying: 'As you hurtle through the air at high speed, some of the [bugs] find it difficult to keep up with you and drop away.'

Research and revisions

OK, Chat and Beale. I don't know why you have a bug up your arses (Ha Ha) but you have both successfully discouraged me from contributing to this article. Put all the incorrect information on this page that you like. You can say you don't want to start fights and that you aren't trying to be malicious if it makes you feel better. I know better. ;) So congrats. Good luck with YOUR wiki, because it doesn't belong to the players of Discworld anymore. --Kartoffel 19:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Good riddance. Accusing people of lying and and spreading misinformation is not the way to go. Get a clue. 81.149.171.5 20:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Various points:

  • Yes, the bugs can depart do on going underwater; the test I just did had this happen within 5 seconds. To that end, I've removed the line indicating that this always takes at least a minute to happen.
  • Removing statements for lack of research is fine and well, however, replacing them with other text equally un-backed-up by research is rather hypocritical, to say the least. I've therefore removed the section regarding background enchantment affecting bug types and left the blanket 'research needed' there - if it's 'known' that this is an effect, provide details relating thaums to bug type, or similar.
  • On that note, I think it's safe to say that bug type isn't completely independent of skill. Wet hennes very rarely if at all get assassin bugs. Old crones very rarely if at all get mayflies. Reasonably assuming that it isn't pure age affecting this, skills are the only remaining correlate.
  • To reiterate Beale's point, don't be adversarial. Language like 'spread lies' and 'misinformation' usually results in pissy, acrimonious revision wars on wikis, which are in no one's interest. On the whole, you should assume that contributors aren't setting out to mislead people, and that any mistakes aren't intentional. If you strongly believe something is wrong:
    • Check it by way of testing.
    • Preferably have a chat with the person who wrote the section to see if there's something either or both of you missed.
    • Remove/replace the offending section.
    • State in the diff summary that you removed <X> because you did a test which disproved it.
  • This is a wiki, but it isn't Wikipedia. We don't need every single statement to be backed up by detailed research. Given that we're in a state of pretty early development here, I think it's better to have a policy of 'Add articles and put a Template:Research on them if you're not sure' than 'Don't add anything until you've researched it'. --Chat 17:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


Yes, the bugs can depart do on going underwater; the test I just did had this happen within 5 seconds. To that end, I've removed the line indicating that this always takes at least a minute to happen.
Sorry, that line was mine - I must not have tested it adequately and worded it improperly. --B (t) 20:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Fire damage

The bugs do move out of the way of fire. See this log, for example:

You slice at the rugged Djelian soldier with your bending reed katana but he parries the blow with his copper short sword.
Gypsie du Sucre swings at the grizzled Ephebian soldier with her broomstick but he deftly parries the blow with his lit torch.
The rugged Djelian soldier smokes Aunty Paff d'Parranoid but her large swarm of gnats absorbs most of the blow.
The grizzled Ephebian soldier thrusts at you with his short sword but you easily dodge out of the way.
As the fire licks the gnats around Aunty Paff d'Parranoid, several of them are burned to a crisp!
The rugged Djelian soldier slashes at Aunty Paff d'Parranoid with his copper short sword but her large swarm of gnats absorbs 
all of the blow.
The grizzled Ephebian soldier thrusts at you with his short sword but your handful of horseflies absorbs all of the blow.
The gnats around Aunty Paff d'Parranoid swarm at the rugged Djelian soldier, biting angrily.
The horseflies around you launch an assault upon the grizzled Ephebian soldier, lacerating every inch of exposed skin they can get to.
Some of the swatted bugs spiral gracelessly to the ground, only to be trampled on.
Hp: 1914 (1914) Gp: 221 (414) Xp: 477568
The rugged Djelian soldier slashes at Aunty Paff d'Parranoid with his copper short sword but her large swarm of gnats absorbs all of the blow.
You thrust at the grizzled Ephebian soldier with your bending reed katana but he parries the blow with his lit torch.
The rugged Djelian soldier thrusts at Aunty Paff d'Parranoid with his copper short sword but her large swarm of gnats absorbs all of the blow.
As the fire approaches you, the horseflies swiftly fly out of the way.
The grizzled Ephebian soldier roasts you.
Hp: 1745 (1914) Gp: 224 (414) Xp: 477571
Gypsie du Sucre swings at the rugged Djelian soldier with her broomstick but he deftly parries the blow with his copper short 
sword.
As the fire approaches Gypsie du Sucre, the assassin bugs swiftly fly out of the way.
The rugged Djelian soldier smokes Gypsie du Sucre but her Gypsie's Protection absorbs some of the blow.

This would be one of those things that falls under the category of "Don't accuse others of misinformation and go removing their edits unless you're really sure they're wrong."

On a different note, observe that not all bugs dodge fire - in the above log, mine and Gypsie's do, while Paff's get a roasting.
--Chat 18:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Better bugs lasting longer

Can "better bugs" take more of a beating, too? In other words, will a swarm of hornets be more durable than a similar sized swarm of lacewings?
--Eucalypta

Crystals removing bugs

I can't seem to remove my bugs when wearing crystals. Perhaps the bugs from the crystal need to be stronger than those around you? Or maybe the crystal needs some level of imbue?

Could anyone able to get your bugs to bug off with crystals please give info on the bugs around you before and those coming from the crystal at the time?

Frazyl 01:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Can't make this work. Maybe it worked at some point but not now it seems. --Frazyl 04:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Theories for non-skill factors to get stronger bug types

At bonuses of ma.sp.def 292 and ma.me.spiritual 268 I seem to get wasps/hornets/elephant beetles but only in a circle and the odds of getting better bugs seem to rise considerably if I cast successfully a spell (not bug shield, for example Wee Flaudia's Fluffy Ear Muffs) just before casting bug shield.

Another idea is that having full gp when casting might help produce better bugs if it gives a boost to spell strength. Very doubtful on this one.

The casting in high thaum rooms doesn't seem to change the type of bugs for me, at least for rooms that spawn with high thaums like in the BP wizard guild. Possibly rooms with lots of fresh thaums might be more effective as per charging thaum shards.

Frazyl 01:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Pragi's Fiery Gaze

Bugs seem to absorb damage completely from PFG until the shield falls, and then the witch takes the rest. Tested down to 'small swarm', couldn't get it any smaller.

Oddly, they don't do the same for EHA.