Talk:Hedgehog

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I've added a whole bunch of details about the command.

There are a couple of things currently missing/incomplete:

  • What's the skillcheck used to start singing?
  • PK witches are needed to do research into:
    • The exact bonus-loss relationship with offensive; it's possible that this is also affected by cursing, so someone needs to do some research to verify this.
    • The abjuring benefit from wearing crystals.
    • The degree of protection offered from abjuring in general

Chat 20:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Air, cursing, and offensive are skill that can be checked against when starting to hedgehog. Think mock. hskills is your friend. HTH, HAND--Kartoffel 19:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

PS Why is crafts.wossname listed in skills used? Has this been confirmed by mock/tm, or is it speculation?

I've TMed it. Specifically, "You manage to achieve a nastier note than you thought was possible!" is the TM associated with using cr.mu.per when hedgehogging.
On the subject of defending oneself, it looks like you do attempt to defend yourself, but it follows the same rules as spellcasting; namely, your response is forced to dodge, even if your tactics are set to parry (of course, if parrying is Your Thing, then this is pretty much equivalent to not defending yourself...).

Tms

I can personally confirm very recently receiving the following tms (listed here once per skills though I got lots of vocal and performance):

Tue Dec 29 22:55:27 2009 [EDT] - crafts.music.instruments.vocal increased by 1 level to level 53.
Wed Dec 30 17:49:09 2009 [EDT] - crafts.music.performance increased by 1 level to level 40.
Fri Jan 1 01:00:37 2010 [EST] - magic.methods.mental.charming increased by 1 level to level 303.

I also seem to remember air, dancing and chanting tms but I've since lost my logs to hard drives burning out and I've guild maxed those making tms less likely. Probably also cursing ones. Offensive seems likely, not sure if I tmed it.

--Frazyl 05:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I got more tms recently of more types, of skills I remembered:

Sun Feb 28 18:44:17 2010 [EST] - magic.methods.physical.chanting increased by 1 level to level 303.
Thu Mar 4 21:46:41 2010 [EST] - magic.methods.elemental.air increased by 1 level to level 253.

Frazyl 03:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Got the ever elusive offensive tm while starting to hedgehog:

Saving...
You manage to achieve a nastier note than you thought was possible!
You draw a deep breath.
You wheeze.
Okay.
Mon Apr 12 01:25:51 2010 [EST] - magic.spells.offensive increased by 1 level to level 301.

All these tms proves you can tm pretty much all methods of hedgehog with an alias that goes hedgehog;stop (so you don't actually sing). Frazyl 05:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Got a dancing TM just now, with the same message as the offensive one:

Aaiiiiee!
Saving...
You manage to achieve a nastier note than you thought was possible!
You draw a deep breath.
You wheeze.
Okay.
Tue Jun  1 20:17:53 2010 - magic.methods.physical.dancing increased by 1 level to level 291.

--Gunde 19:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Verses

Where did the total number of verses come from? I found a version of the song that corresponds exactly to the output of the command and it has 35 verses. --Frazyl 05:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

If you ask Nanny to teach you after GL 340, you get: "Nanny Ogg whispers to you: You already know all the verses of the hedgehog song, dearie.". --Chat 11:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
That's weird, after 12 verses at GL 320 she said that:
Nanny Ogg asks with a Lancrastian accent: You want to learn about the hedgehog, Frazyl?
Nanny Ogg sings softly into your ear:
  You could thrust with a thrush if you fancy a climb,
  Or pork a few piglets if you have the time,
  A skinhead's pet cat if you don't mind a brawl,
  But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

'teach me hedgehog please
You say: teach me hedgehog please

Nanny Ogg asks with a Lancrastian accent: You want to learn about the hedgehog, Frazyl?
Nanny Ogg whispers to you with a Lancrastian accent: You already know all the verses of the hedgehog song,
    dearie.
hedgehog verses
You know twelve verses of the hedgehog song.
Does anyone know any verse after the thrust one? --Frazyl 06:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Npcs attacking

It is my experience that npcs will only ever attack if you make them drop something, which they only do if they're holding or carrying anything excluding money since that doesn't appear to be dropped.

Conversely, all the times something was dropped the npc attacked, not just some of the times.

These observations contradict what the article says, which is "NPCs may attack the singer; this is more likely to happen the tougher the NPC is."

Can anyone share what they experienced regarding npcs attacking because of Hedgehog so we can be more confident how it works? Thanks.

--Frazyl 18:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Agree that I've only ever seen hedgehog victims attack when they drop something. That said, hedgehog victims definitely drop money, and quite frequently in my experience. I assume the 'tougher NPCs' correlation came about because tougher NPCs are more likely to be carrying things than weaker ones.
--Chat 20:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
It's quite possible the npcs I used it on just didn't carry money, many of those in the ramtops. I don't tend to use Hedgehog for fighting npcs since I can't attack them at the same time. I'm not sure if it really gives you much of an edge if you hedgehog then stop and fight them.
--Frazyl 20:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)