Research:Tanning

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NOTE: As of September 9th, 2013, tanning was tweaked. Prices as per research below may no longer be valid. Additionally, difficulty in tanning/dyeing for skins was changed.

Post-Sept. 19, 2013

[Most recent update Groth 04:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)]

  • The price a tanned hide will be bought for is based upon two things - (1) final tanned weight and (2) tanning quality. Therefore, there are no longer "small", "medium", or "large" hide size classes. In general, the heavier the tanned hide, the more it will sell for.

Tanning Quality

  • Level 1 - Badly, Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Poorly
  • Level 2 - Acceptably, Competently, Properly
  • Level 3 - Nicely, Well, Smoothly, Evenly, Skilfully
  • Level 4 - Expertly, Beautifully, Elegantly

General Store

  • Prices quite low. Only weight appears to matter - i.e., same product price regardless of quality (but more research needed).
    • No table or graph until have more cells filled in.

Tanning Shop

  • Better prices than a general store. Output price dependent upon product weight and quality.
  • Data is best represented by the value in wibi for precision (convert money <value> to Howondaland). When valuing from a tannery, the value is likely computed in wibi, and then converted to local currency. This currency conversion always rounds down. Since Ephebian currency has a minimum value of 2 wibi, it can undercount value by at most 1 wibi, and is the best choice for valuing in game. Lancre currency has a minimum value of 3 wibi, and is the second best choice. Ankh-Morpork currency has a minimum value of 4 wibi, and is the least accurate measure of value.
  • Table below constructed by weighing tanned item at the AM Post Office, selling at the Ephebe leather shop, then converting to wibi
    • Q1: Baseline: w0 = Floor(Sqrt(9*weight)); 279*weight + (w0 - Floor((2*w0-1)/7) - 1)^3 + 99 (Roughly, 75 cents per pound)
    • Q2: 1.2 * Baseline
    • Q3: 1.3 * Baseline
    • Q4: 1.4 * Baseline
  • Dyeing values are a simple multiplier on the tanned value. Note that the worst quality dyeing will *REDUCE* the value!
    • Q1: Value * 0.9
    • Q2: Value * 1.3
    • Q3: Value * 1.7
    • Q4: Value * 1.9
Tan Weight Quality Lvl 1 Quality Lvl 2 Quality Lvl 3 Quality Lvl 4
1/9 360 390 420
2/9 360 390
3/9 360 390 444
4/9
5/9 360 390 420
6/9
7/9 380 412
8/9
1 500
1 1/9 500 542 584
1 2/9 582
1 3/9 624
1 4/9 612 662
1 5/9 650 704 758
1 6/9 686 742
1 7/9 724 784
1 8/9 760 824
2
2 1/9 834 904
2 2/9
2 3/9 908 984
2 4/9
2 5/9
2 6/9 1022
2 7/9
2 8/9
3 1252
3 1/9 1192 1292
3 2/9 1332
3 3/9 1266 1372 1478
3 4/9
3 5/9 1340 1452
3 6/9 1150 1380 1494 1610
3 7/9 1534
3 8/9
4 1536
4 1/9 1572 1702
4 2/9 1610 1744
4 3/9 1646
4 4/9 1824
4 5/9 1864
4 6/9 1758 1904 2052
4 7/9 1794 1944
4 8/9 1832 1986
5 1868 2024
5 1/9 2066
5 2/9
5 3/9 2146
5 4/9
5 5/9
5 6/9
5 7/9
5 8/9
6
6 1/9 2316
6 2/9
6 3/9 2390 2588
6 4/9
6 5/9 2464 2670
6 6/9 2500 2708
6 7/9 2538
6 8/9
7
7 1/9
7 2/9
7 3/9
7 4/9
7 5/9
7 6/9
7 7/9
7 8/9 2426 2910
8
8 1/9 2984
8 2/9 3020
8 3/9 3060
8 4/9
8 5/9
8 6/9 2642 3170
8 7/9
8 8/9
9
9 1/9
9 2/9
9 3/9 2920 3796
9 4/9
9 5/9 3578 3876
9 6/9 3614 3914
9 7/9 3652 3956
9 8/9 3688
10
10 1/9
10 2/9
10 3/9
10 4/9
10 5/9
10 6/9
10 7/9
10 8/9 4360
11 3384 4398
11 1/9 4604
11 2/9
11 3/9
11 4/9
11 5/9 4398 4764
11 6/9
11 7/9
11 8/9
12
12 1/9
12 2/9
12 3/9
12 4/9
12 5/9
12 6/9 3976 4770 5168 5566
12 7/9
12 8/9

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Fur Shop

Other

  • Weight of tanned products is precisely 1/2 untanned weight, rounded down to the nearest 1/9lb.
  • The act of tanning a hide has changed too. Research still needed. Weight and size still appear to affect success. Unsure how final tan weight falls into it, or if the tanned weight is randomized within a certain species-specific weight range.
  • Finally remembered IRL that brains can be used for tanning. And, guess what? Brains (any type) can be used to add uses to a tanning kit. Further research needs to be done to determine if a brain just provides a set number of uses, or if larger brains (i.e., rat vs human) give proportionally more uses.

Pre-Sept. 19, 2013

Small Pelts

Inc. toad, rodent, rabbit, fawn, bear cub. General store retail: $0.78. With a craft.materials.tanning bonus of 207-210, and burden of 16-20%, small pelts are able to be reliably tanned.

  • skin: Attempts: 16, Fails: 1, TMs: 0, Fail Rate: 6.2%
    • Successes: Acceptably: 4, Competently: 2, Evenly: 2, Smoothly: 1, Well: 3, Nicely: 1, Elegantly: 1, Beautifully: 1
  • suede: Attempts: 3, Fails: 0, TMs: 0
    • Successes: Evenly: 1, Smoothly: 1, Well: 1
  • leather: Attempts: 22, Fails: 3, TMs: 1, Fail Rate: 13.6%
    • Successes: Acceptably: 4, Competently: 4, Evenly: 5, Smoothly: 2, Well: 3, Expertly: 1
  • fur: Attempts: 5, Fails: 0, TMs: 0
    • Successes: Acceptably: 3, Competently: 2

Mid-Size Pelts

General store retail: $1.95. Including:

  • fox: 2' x 1', 15 pounds, 5lb tanned
  • lizard: 1.5' x 6-9", 20lb, 6lb tanned
  • dog: 1.5' x 6-9", 10lb, 4lb tanned
  • cat 1.5' x 6-9", 20lb, 6lb? tanned
  • sheep: 4.5' x 1.5', 20lb, 6lb tanned
  • goat: 5.5' x by 5.5', 20lb, 6lb tanned
  • dwarf: 4.5' x 1', 15lb, 5lb tanned
  • human: mid, 6' x 1.5' (first tanned at approx 245 bonus)
  • horse: mid-size 6' x 6', 20lb, 6lb tanned (first tanned at bonus 269)
  • deer: mid-size 6' x 6', 20lb (first tanned at bonus 286)
Tanning Difficulty
  • Badly: inc. Badly, Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly
  • Acceptably: inc. Acceptably, Competently
  • Nicely: inc. Nicely, Well, Smoothly, Evenly
  • Expertly: inc. Expertly, Beautifully, Elegantly
  • Average bonus: 210 (207-213 range)
    • skin: Attempts: 61 (1 TMs): Fails: 36 (59%), Badly: 25 (41%)
    • suede: Attempts: 30 (2 TMs): Fails: 21 (70%), Badly: 8 (27%), Acceptably: 1 (3%)
    • leather: Attempts: 75 (2 TMs): Fails: 57 (76%), Badly: 18 (24%)
    • fur: Attempts: 45 (3 TMs): Fails: 37 (82%), Badly: 8 (18%)
  • Average bonus: 230 (227-233 range)
    • skin: Attempts: 75 (4 TMs): Fails: 37 (49%), Badly: 25, Acceptably: 15
    • suede: Attempts: 65 (3 TMs): Fails: 30 (46)%, Badly: 20, Acceptably: 15
    • leather: Attempts: 75 (1 TMs): Fails: 38 (51%), Badly: 22, Acceptably: 14, Nicely: 1
    • fur: Attempts: 76 (4 TMs): Fails: 38 (51%), Badly: 27, Acceptably: 15
  • Average bonus: 250 (247-253 range)
    • skin: Attempts: 100 (1 TMs): Fails: 33 (33%), Badly: 7, Acceptably: 53, Nicely: 6, Expertly: 1
    • suede: Attempts: 100 (0 TMs): Fails: 30 (30%), Badly: 6, Acceptably: 54, Nicely: 5, Elegantly: 1
    • leather: Attempts: 100 (2 TMs): Fails: 24 (24%), Badly: 4, Acceptably: 64, Nicely: 7, Expertly: 1
    • fur: Attempts: 100 (4 TMs): Fails: 28 (28%), Badly: 16, Acceptably: 47, Nicely: 9
  • Average bonus: 270 (267-273 range)
    • skin: Attempts: 100 (3 TMs): Fails: 17 (17%), Badly: 4, Acceptably: 56, Nicely: 23
    • suede: Attempts: 100 (1 TMs): Fails: 22 (22%), Acceptably: 49, Nicely: 26, Expertly: 2
    • leather: Attempts: 100 (2 TMs): Fails: 17 (17%), Badly: 4, Acceptably: 48, Nicely: 25, Expertly: 6
    • fur: Attempts: 100 (2 TMs): Fails: 12 (12%), Badly: 3, Acceptably: 61, Nicely: 22, Expertly: 2
  • Average bonus: 290 (287-293 range)
    • skin: Attempts: 100 (1 TMs): Fails: 12 (%), Badly: 2, Acceptably: 42, Nicely: 40, Expertly: 4
    • suede: Attempts: 100 (0 TMs): Fails: 10 (%), Acceptably: 41, Nicely: 46, Expertly: 3
    • leather: Attempts: 100 (1 TMs): Fails: 11 (%), Badly: 2, Acceptably: 40, Nicely: 43, Expertly: 4
    • fur: Attempts: 100 (0 TMs): Fails: 7 (%), Badly: 2, Acceptably: 47, Nicely: 42, Expertly: 2
  • Average bonus: 310 (307-313 range)
    • skin: Attempts: 100 (0 TMs): Fails: 6 (%), Acceptably: 29, Nicely: 57, Expertly: 8
    • suede: Attempts: 100 (1 TMs): Fails: 3 (%), Acceptably: 36, Nicely: 54, Expertly: 7
    • leather: Attempts: 100 (0 TMs): Fails: 5 (%), Acceptably: 26, Nicely: 63, Expertly: 6
    • fur: Attempts: 100 (2 TMs): Fails: 5 (%), Acceptably: 29, Nicely: 56, Expertly: 10
Dyed Values
Tan Quality Dye Quality Geraldine's
Acceptably Shabbily &&&&&&&&&&&&&&+0 Lp 0
Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Badly Patchily, Neatly &&&&&&&&&&&+1200 Ls 8|4
Competently, Acceptably Patchily, Neatly &&&&&&&&&&&+2400 LC 1|4|8
Well, Smoothly, Evenly, Nicely Patchily, Neatly &&&&&&&&&&&+3600 LC 2|1|-
Elegantly Patchily, Neatly &&&&&&&&&&&+4800 LC 2|9|4
Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Badly Smoothly &&&&&&&&&&&+2400 LC 1|4|8
Acceptably, Competently Smoothly &&&&&&&&&&&+4800 LC 2|9|4
Well, Smoothly, Evenly, Nicely Smoothly &&&&&&&&&&&+7200 LC 4|2|-
Expertly, Beautifully Smoothly &&&&&&&&&&&+9600 LC 5|6|8
Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Badly Expertly &&&&&&&&&&&+3600 LC 2|1|-
Competently, Acceptably Expertly &&&&&&&&&&&+7200 LC 4|2|-
Well, Smoothly, Evenly, Nicely Expertly &&&&&&&&&&+10800 LC 6|3|-
Elegantly, Beautifully Expertly &&&&&&&&&&+14400 LC 8|4|-
Competently, Acceptably Beautifully &&&&&&&&&&&+9600 LC 5|6|8
Well, Smoothly, Evenly, Nicely Beautifully &&&&&&&&&&+14400 LC 8|4|-
Beautifully Beautifully &&&&&&&&&&+19200 LC 11|1|4

Large-Size Pelts

General store retail: &&&&&&&&&&&+1863 LC 1|-|11 1/4 Including:

  • tharga: 8.5' x 8.5', 30 pounds, 10lb tanned (first tanned at cr.ma.ta bonus 305)
  • pig: 9 ft by 9 ft, 30 pounds
  • alligator: 5 ft x 2.5ft, 100 lbs, 30lbs tanned
Tanning Difficulty
  • Average bonus: 320 (317-323 range)
    • tharga leather: Attempts: 55 (0 TMs): Fails: 33 (%), Badly: 19, Competently: 3
    • alligator leather: Attempts: 55 (2 TMs): Fails: 38 (%), Badly: 16, Competently: 1
Dyed Values
Tan Quality Dye Quality Geraldine's
Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Badly Patchily &&&&&&&&&&&+3600 LC 2|1|-
Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Badly Smoothly &&&&&&&&&&&+7200 LC 4|2|-
Messily, Sloppily, Incompetently, Carelessly, Badly Expertly &&&&&&&&&&+10800 LC 6|3|-
Competently Smoothly &&&&&&&&&&+14400 LC 8|4|-

Field Notes:

  • moose: 11.5 ft by 11.5 ft, 40 pounds
  • bear: 7.5 ft x 3.5 ft, 40 pounds
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