Research:Lye

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Seems like the ash just floats in the incredibly diluted lye, without "soaking in" more. I also tried adding linseed oil (the only oil I could find that's a pourable liquid) and it didn't combine with it.

Drinking two tablespoons did nothing.

ETA: Doesn't seem to be distillable, either:

distill contents of vat
You can't think of any recipe involving two tablespoons of incredibly diluted lye, no matter what the proportions.

--Ilde (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2020 (EST)

Research items:

  • How long does it actually take?
  • Can you actually make soap with this? If going by real-life applications you would add oil/fat of some kind. Linseed oil didn't work, at least with the "incredibly dilute" stuff. Lard? Can you get other kinds of fat?
  • Does the lye, at any stage, react with other substances?

Ratio

Info from Waggoner:

I ran a casual experiment with the attached results: 
Combined approx two cups water with excess white ash.
The large bucket (concealed) is about three-quarters full with two cups of lamp oil, mixed with two cups of lye, with some leached ash, a long white candle and some fine white ash swimming in it. It is about three-quarters full.
You count about eleven bucketfuls of some leached ash inside one large bucket and about seventeen pinches of some fine white ash inside one large bucket with a total of twenty-eight items.
Counts are accurate less two handfuls of leached ash.
Leached ash was tested and can be used to TPA.
Based on the results, a very large amount of ash may be required to produce lye.

Stages of concentration

Experiment #1:

  • time 01:25:48: added 50 pinches fine grey ash to 10 drops water. Result: 10 drops incredibly diluted lye, plus 40 pinches fine grey ash. Ratio is 1 pinch:1 drop for the initial reaction.
  • time 03:52:06: no change.
  • time 04:03:29: sued to self.
  • time 04:04:52: 10 drops of "very weak lye", forty pinches of leached ash
  • time 04:10:03: added 10 pinches fine grey ash. No immediate change.
  • time 04:10:56: sued to self again.
  • time 04:11:22: no change (contents of container: 10 pinches fine grey ash, 40 pinches leached ash, 10 drops "very weak lye")

Experiment #2:

  • time 01:33:42: added 10 pinches fine grey ash to 10 drops water. Result: 10 drops incredibly diluted lye.
  • time 01:33:46: added 10 more pinches fine grey ash to incredibly diluted lye. Result: 10 drops incredibly diluted lye, with 10 pinches fine grey ash floating in it.
  • time 03:52:06: no change.
  • time 04:03:29: sued to self.
  • time 04:04:52: 10 drops of "very diluted lye", ten pinches of leached ash
  • time 04:10:43: removed leached ash, added 10 pinches fine grey ash. No immediate change.
  • time 04:10:56: sued to self again.
  • time 04:11:22: no change (contents of container: 10 pinches fine grey ash, 10 drops "very diluted lye")

Experiment #4: Added 20 pinches fine grey ash to 10 drops water. Sued to self. Result was 10 drops incredibly diluted lye, plus 10 pinches fine grey ash.

Conclusion: Incredibly diluted lye will react with ash, turning it into "leached ash" (which does not seem to further react--since in experiment #2 it stayed at the "very diluted lye" stage). This reaction takes time, but either doesn't finish or isn't immediately visible. Logging out and logging back in makes it finish. It's been suggested that this could be due to inventory generation manipulating the contents of the container, and that maybe taking the ash out and putting it back in could do something. (But, having tested that, it doesn't do anything immediately, so time seems to still be a factor.) Still unclear how much time is needed, but apparently it's less than three hours for what I'm tentatively calling stage 5. Also unclear if it takes more time to react to a more concentrated level.

I drank both of these and they didn't do anything to me.

Experiment #5: I added various amounts of ash to 10 drops of water in different containers, then logged off. Amount of ash is total, i.e. including the ash that reacts immediately.

I logged back on about 47 minutes later, to find that the phial was unchanged, and that every other container had "somewhat diluted lye", 20 pinches of leached ash, and in the case of the bottles (but not the shot glass), leftover fine grey ash. It seems like 1)the reaction does happen in stages and it doesn't simply take an additional x minutes regardless of how much ash is added, and 2)the time advances while you're logged off. Logged off again, this time for the night. Returned to find these results:

container pinches ash contents after logging back on
small clear glass phial 15 10 drops of "incredibly diluted lye" + 5 pinches fine grey ash
clear shot glass 30 10 drops "somewhat diluted lye" + 20 pinches leached ash
small clear glass bottle 40 10 drops "diluted lye" + 30 pinches leached ash
large green bottle 60 10 drops "somewhat weak lye" + 50 pinches leached ash
large orange bottle 70 10 drops "weak lye" + 60 pinches leached ash
large rainbow-coloured bottle 80 10 drops "lye" + 70 pinches leached ash
large brown bottle 90 10 drops "lye" + 70 pinches leached ash + 10 pinches fine grey ash

It seems that the ash only reacts if there's enough for it to react with all of the existing lye.

Stages found so far

Stage total pinches ash per 1 drop water
incredibly diluted lye 1
very diluted lye 2
somewhat diluted lye 3
diluted lye 4
very weak lye 5
somewhat weak lye 6
weak lye 7
lye 8

The description for every stage up to "lye" is:

This is a highly caustic yellow liquid used for making soap, about ten drops.  It's still [stage] at the moment - perhaps letting it soak in more ash would make it stronger.

For "lye", the description is simply:

This is a highly caustic yellow liquid used for making soap, about ten drops.

Time for different stages

47 minutes was enough time to make "somewhat diluted lye" before, but not higher stages.

I am making some "somewhat diluted lye", "very weak lye", "somewhat weak lye", and "weak lye" currently, in order to check how dilution works with them, and I'm going to check in occasionally to see how far they've gotten. Each timestamp is shortly after logging in or suing. Redundant check-ins are omitted. This'll just be a rough indication.

Fist set:

  • time 04:49:30: added 6, 10, 12, and 14 pinches ash to containers with 2 drops water each. Logged off.
  • time 05:19:14: "very diluted"
  • time 05:35:17: still "very diluted"
  • time 05:40:21: "somewhat diluted"
  • time 05:54:29: still "somewhat diluted"
  • time 06:01:14: "diluted"
  • time 06:25:51: still "diluted"
  • time 06:21:47: "very weak"
  • time 06:34:19: still "very weak"
  • time 06:42:31: "somewhat weak"
  • time 07:02:22: still "somewhat weak"
  • time 07:06:46: "weak"

Second set (one container):

  • time 05:27:57: Added 8 pinches ash to 1 drop water.
  • time 05:46:37: still "incredibly diluted"
  • time 05:49:16: "very diluted"
  • time 06:01:14: still "very diluted"
  • time 06:10:19: "somewhat diluted"
  • time 06:27:53: still "somewhat diluted"
  • time 06:34:19: "diluted"
  • time 06:49:11: still "diluted"
  • time 06:56:51: "very weak"
  • time 07:16:47: still "very weak"
  • time 07:18:46: "somewhat weak"
  • time 07:38:25: still "somewhat weak"
  • time 07:40:46: "weak"
  • time 07:56:55: still "weak"
  • time 08:01:12: "lye"

Third set:

  • time 08:39:01: added 16 handfuls (800 pinches) ash to 40 drops water
  • time 09:10:57: "very diluted"
  • time 10:00:33: "diluted"
  • time 10:14:24: "diluted"
  • time 10:20:38: "very weak"
  • time 11:05:20: "weak"
  • time 11:23:26: still "weak"
  • time 11:25:55: "lye"


A summary table of these times, normalized to be the time since the start. "Min" is the minimum possible time before reaching that stage--it's from the timestamp of the last time that the previous stage was seen. "Max" is the maximum possible time it takes to reach that stage--it's from the timestamp of the first time that stage was seen. So, e.g., for the second one, it took between 18:40 and 21:19 to reach the "very diluted" stage, because it was still "incredibly diluted" at 18:40, but by 21:19 it was "very diluted".

Stage First set - time to reach stage Second - time to reach stage Third - time to reach stage
min max min max min max
very diluted  ? 29:44 18:40 21:19  ? 31:56
somewhat diluted 45:47 50:51 33:17 42:22  ?  ?
diluted 1:04:59 1:11:44 59:56 1:06:22  ? 1:21:32
very weak 1:25:51 1:32:17 1:21:14 1:28:54 1:35:23 1:41:37
somewhat weak 1:44:49 1:53:01 1:48:50 1:50:49  ?  ?
weak 2:12:52 2:17:16 2:10:28 2:12:49  ? 2:26:19
lye - - 2:28:58 2:33:15 2:44:25 2:46:54

(No containers in the first set had enough ash to react all the way to "lye".)

Note the non-overlapping times for "somewhat diluted" and "weak" for the first two sets. It seems that it can take varying amounts of time to reach the same stage. It may depend on the volumes (for the first set there were two drops of water per container; for the second set, only one), randomness, or some other factor.

Also note the third trial, with 40 drops, took somewhat longer.

Reactions

The following do not appear to react with lye (the full version, not the diluted/weak versions):

  • lamp oil
  • a long white candle [note: made of tallow]
  • linseed oil
  • fatsup [note: fatsup was bought from the Rising Phoenix bar and turned out not to be a liquid]
  • violet acid
  • milk
  • fat from the fat springs
  • lard

Drinking it

Drank ten drops of "lye" (i.e. the non-diluted version) and it had no effect.

Dilution

Tried adding water in various ways and got these results (parentheses indicate multiple substances already in the container--water was always added last):

  • 1 drop lye + excess water = 8 drops incredibly diluted lye + 2 tablespoons water
  • 2 drops diluted lye + 1 drop water = 2 drops very diluted lye + 1 drop diluted lye
  • (2 drops very diluted lye + 1 drop diluted lye) + 1 drop water = 2 drops incredibly diluted lye + 1 drop very diluted lye + 1 drop of diluted lye
  • (2 drops incredibly diluted lye + 1 drop very diluted lye + 1 drop of diluted lye) + 1 drop water = 4 drops incredibly diluted lye + 1 drop diluted lye
  • 10 drops lye + 5 drops water = 10 drops diluted lye + 5 drops lye
  • (10 drops diluted lye + 5 drops lye) + 5 drops water = 10 drops very diluted lye + 5 drops diluted lye + 5 drops of lye
  • 10 drops lye + 10 drops water = 1 teaspoon diluted lye
  • 2 drops somewhat weak lye + 1 drop water = 2 drops somewhat diluted lye + 1 drop somewhat weak lye
  • 2 drops weak lye + 1 drop water = 2 drops diluted lye + 1 drop weak lye
  • 2 drops somewhat diluted lye + 1 drop water = 2 drops very diluted lye + 1 drop somewhat diluted lye
  • 2 drops very weak lye + 1 drop water = 2 drops somewhat diluted lye + 1 drop very weak lye
  • (2 drops very diluted + 3 drops somewhat diluted + 2 drops diluted + 1 drop very weak + 1 drop somewhat weak + 1 drop weak) [note: previous four combined, minus 2 drops somewhat diluted] + 10 drops water = 4 drops incredibly diluted + 10 drops very diluted + 4 drops somewhat diluted + 2 drops diluted