Category talk:Thrown weapons

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Some of these appear to have separate judges for throwing/melee. How shall we deal with this? -TherionAndAlts 10:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. I could have sworn someone mentioned this more recently, but I don't see it now. Anyway, for the comparison table I just made a note of what the thrown judge was. I'm not really sure how judge works for thrown (it does appear to have a different set than for melee, though--witness "quite powerful"), and I've only got one thrown weapon on hand at the moment, so I can't really compare just now.... I'll try to remember to save up some. --Ilde 02:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I left a note on Talk:Judge recently. I guess it's an addition made after release of the mudlib, which makes things more difficult. We'll probably have to gather judge data with different bonuses and compare weapons against one another. Frazyl 05:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

With a 222 ad.ev.we bonus: (judging multiple times seems to give the same result except failure)

(fail message, rare for me)
You examine the tanto and the no. 6 throwing knife closely, but you're not sure which is better.

You think that the rubber knife is a quite poor melee weapon of type dagger.  It would also make a reasonable thrown weapon.

You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife is an extremely good melee weapon of type dagger that can be used to slash and stab.  
It would also make a quite good thrown weapon.

You think that the no. 5 throwing knife is a very good melee weapon of type dagger that can be used to slash and stab.  
It would also make a good thrown weapon.

You think that the no. 6 throwing knife is a rather good melee weapon of type dagger that can be used to slash and stab.  
It would also make a good thrown weapon.

You think that the no. 7 throwing knife is a rather good melee weapon of type dagger that can be used to slash and stab.  
It would also make a quite good thrown weapon.

You think that the no. 8 throwing knife is a rather good melee weapon of type dagger that can be used to slash and stab.  
It would also make a quite good thrown weapon.

You think that the no. 10 throwing knife is a very good melee weapon of type dagger that can be used to slash and stab.  
It would also make a quite good thrown weapon.

You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife and the no. 10 throwing knife are exactly the same.
You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife and the no. 5 throwing knife are exactly the same.
You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife is a bit better than the no. 6 throwing knife.
You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife is a bit better than the no. 8 throwing knife.
You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife is a bit better than the no. 7 throwing knife.
You think that the Howondalandish throwing knife is very much better than the rubber knife.

You think that the rubber knife is very much worse than the Howondalandish throwing knife.
You think that the rubber knife is very much worse than the no. 5 throwing knife.
You think that the rubber knife is very much worse than the no. 10 throwing knife.
You think that the rubber knife is much worse than the no. 6 throwing knife.
You think that the rubber knife is much worse than the no. 7 throwing knife.
You think that the rubber knife is much worse than the no. 8 throwing knife.

You think that the no. 5 throwing knife and the no. 10 throwing knife are exactly the same.
You think that the no. 5 throwing knife and the no. 10 throwing knife are exactly the same.
You think that the no. 5 throwing knife is a bit better than the no. 6 throwing knife.
You think that the no. 5 throwing knife is a bit better than the no. 7 throwing knife.
You think that the no. 5 throwing knife is a bit better than the no. 8 throwing knife.

You think that the no. 6 throwing knife is a bit worse than the no. 5 throwing knife.

You think that the long wooden javelin is a pretty good melee weapon of type polearm that can be used to stab.  
It would also make a quite powerful thrown weapon.

You think that the javelin is an extremely good melee weapon of type polearm that can be used to pierce and stab.  
It would also make a powerful thrown weapon.

You think that the long wooden javelin is better than the rubber knife.
You think that the long wooden javelin is a bit worse than the no. 6 throwing knife.
You think that the long wooden javelin is worse than the no. 5 throwing knife.
You think that the javelin is very much better than the rubber knife.
You think that the javelin is a bit better than the no. 6 throwing knife.
You think that the javelin is a bit better than the no. 5 throwing knife.

You think that the rubber knife is worse than the long wooden javelin.
You think that the no. 6 throwing knife is a bit better than the long wooden javelin.
You think that the no. 5 throwing knife is better than the long wooden javelin.

You think that the rubber knife is very much worse than the javelin.
You think that the no. 6 throwing knife is a bit worse than the javelin.
You think that the no. 5 throwing knife is a bit worse than the javelin.

So. Seems like javelins have different qualifiers because they probably deal more damage on account that they're bigger but when compared they're not better than the knives. Lost my 10 hublandish knives in a furniture disappearance and couldn't find barbarians armed with it to kill. Frazyl 06:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ohhh, that's where it was. I couldn't find it in a search, so. It looks to me as though it just compares the ratings when you judge them against each other, though... otherwise the long wooden javelin would be better than the throwing knives (assuming "quite powerful" is better than just "good"), and the #5 and #10 knives wouldn't be exactly the same... I was hoping it would say something specifically about how they compare as thrown weapons. Sounds like some kind of actual damage testing might be needed to determine what the different messages mean... oh, or maybe the other kind of damage testing: take one that seems to have a good thrown judge message, damage it to make it worse (using it to try to get out of a stasis sphere might be the fastest way...), and see if/how the judge goes down. --Ilde 08:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I meant ratings are the same, it was late. Though the judge on the thrown weapons alone doesn't give the same so something's going on.
  • Maybe my judge bonus is too low to tell them apart? I'd have to test against melee only weapons...
  • Mmmm, hold on. Maybe judge is only comparing the melee judges of those weapons! The thrown part was added later I think. That must be it...
So if the latter is right, then we can't really order the thrown judge by comparing weapons with judge.
Not sure about the making weapons damaged, I thought judge ignored weapons condition, at least it says so on the Judge page.
I guess we could count the number times you need to throw the weapon at a npc for it to die... Just need to find some appropriate npc...
A potential problem is if the npcs keep the weapon in their inventory after they've been hit by one like I remember. Would need a way to get it back or it will take lots of knives to kill anything. Either stop combat and steal it back or someone else steals it...
Frazyl 20:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Here we go... Research:Thrown_weapons --Ilde 02:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually come to think of it, while judge (one weapon) might not take into account condition, I remember that judge against did take into consideration the enchanting on it since I saw a change after I enchanted a weapon and judged it against another before and after.

However judge against doesn't seem to take into account non melee characteristics. Trying to judge two darts (thrown only weapons) results in

You can only compare melee weapons.

--Frazyl 22:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)