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== Anonymous users and spam ==
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==Important message, outages, announcements, etc==
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If the mud is down or you need to announce some big thing happening or there's a bug that does something super bad or similar please:
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#Go copy a message you like from [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit Editing Sitenotice]
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and paste and edit the message for this specific use. Save.
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice id]] and increase the number by 1. Save.
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This can only be done by users with the <code>editinterface</code> permission. [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop These users] have access.
  
Should we consider disabling anonymous editing to reduce spam? Do we feel that anyone is likely to particularly want to make anonymous contributions? Personally, I'd like it because it would stop me making edits while logged out, but it would also mean much less despamifying. A CAPTCHA extension may also be useful, but there are valid points against it.  See also [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam Mediawiki manual: combating spam]. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 07:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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After the notice has served its use:
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and clear everything so it doesn't leave a ghost dismiss link.
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#(Optional) Copy your super cool new message that might be reused in [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit Editing Sitenotice].
  
:Proactive or Reactive? Unless it becomes a real problem, I think it's better to react to it case by case. If it becomes a major issue then is the time to consider proactive solutions. As far as I know we've only had one instance? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
  
:: Rather a few more than one, and I'm a big fan of proactive. ;) See [[Special:Log/block]] for a list of IPs we've blocked (most are spammers, and some committed multiple instances of spamming). It also seems to be getting worse.  I've blocked eight IPs today, not that doing that helps.  I'm currently protecting (making user-editable only) pages after a few attacks, as once the bots start on a page, they won't stop. [[Special:RecentChanges]] seems to be filling up with spam and spam fixing. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 10:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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If you cannot modify that page, then [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit edit Sitenotice] with the message you would like to be displayer on all wiki pages.
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*This is not currently going to update the banner. This will have to be done manually. But it should be noticed and someone will (probably) modify [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] or offer feedback.
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<!-- Doesn't quite work, takes super long, not sure what's going on.
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*This is a little buggy at this time, so someone might have to copy it to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] for it to work. Research to improve this is ongoing.
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*Then visit [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=purge this page] or [{{SERVER}}/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice?action=purge this one], if you see <code>OK</code> below <code>Clear the cache of this page?</code> the click OK to update the transclusion of the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] that holds the real message. You probably have to be logged in to purge. This might take several minutes to update.
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:::ns and whois lookups suggest that these may be botnets. Whether knowing this helps or not I don't know. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 11:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
  
::Yesterday I would have agreed with a reactive stance; today we got a whole bunch of spam dumped on us.  I had thought that the spam bots were naively targetting direct links from the main page (makes sense - they have less computational work to do that way), in which case simply protecting all links from the main page would have worked nicely.  Unfortunately, today's aren't following that pattern.  
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See also the [[Status]] page for a place to discuss issues.
  
::For now, I've pre-emptively protected the main page - it's a very obvious spammer target, and I'm slightly surprised it hasn't been hit already.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 12:50, 20 September 2020 (EDT)
  
::In the long run, we want a solution which:
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== Alternative login: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242 ==
::*Will stop most of the spam (I doubt we can stop all of it)
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::*Won't discourage people from just coming along and editing.
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::To that end, I think it's possible to use captcha without being heavy-handed about it - one of the common wiki captcha options is to require it for edits made from non-confirmed accounts which are attempting to insert links to 'unrecognized external sites'.  This would have blocked all the spam we've had so far, with a pretty minimal effect on legitimate edits (especially if 'discworld.atuin.net' is a 'recognized external site'), so would be pretty much ideal.  That would get my vote.
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Note for 18 Sep 2020 by QingFeng: The usual path to the MUD discworld.starturtle.net port 4242 is down! There is an alternative path to the mud: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242. This is not a temporary copy of the MUD, it is another path to the actual MUD.
  
::--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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(One) Wodan wisps: and this is NOT a temp mud, but the real thing, in case anyone wasn't clear on that yet
  
::: Happy to agree, although do I even have a vote anyway :) [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 17:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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==Adding users to the wiki==
:::A low level captcha would be a good approach. We will have to make some sacrifices which may discourage random editing, but that's unavoidable if we want to stop the spam. We could add a limited protection and if that doesn't stop the majority of the vandalism we could step up to a higher level. Using captcha on adding external links would not solve every problem though, as there seems to be a lot of gibberish vandalism. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 19:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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Administrators for this wiki can create new accounts if anyone playing on the mud wants one. The only criteria right now is that they must have an account on Discworld mud. The account name should match one of their mud account name or be a recognizable variation of it. Accounts of past players are kept to know who modified what even if they are deleted from the mud.
:::I'm for the captcha option as well; this is getting ridiculous.  But looking at the history I do see a ''few'' legitimate edits by anonymous users, so it doesn't seem the right thing to block anons entirely. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 19:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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::::Blocking anons entirely should never be an option. But we will probably have to limit it in some way. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 20:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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As an aside, I managed to get the files pointed to on wiki.ubuntu.com by the linkspan (which were malware aimed at windows, what a surprise) removed, and hopefully ubuntu.com web admins will be improving their own security .... maybe it's worth remembering for an incident like this that other websites might be affected and we may be in a position to warn them too ..... [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 00:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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Players should contact through the mud someone from [{{fullurl:Special:ListUsers|group=sysop}} this list] who has been active on the mud recently asking for an account to be made for them.
  
I know what might be useful. If the wiki could announce recent changes using an irc channel on taffyd.sydmud.com. Probably just a flight of fantasy though. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 13:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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The procedure for wiki administrators is:
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#Go to [[Special:CreateAccount]], when logged in.
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#With email
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##Enter a username and an email address, and click the "by email" button.
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##The account will be created with a random password which is then emailed to the given address (as with the "forgot password" feature). The user will be requested to change password at first login; when they do, their e-mail address will also be marked as confirmed.
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#Without email
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##Without an email the administrator enters the requested password or makes a random one.
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##They then send the password to the user by mudmail telling them to login and change their password to something else.
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#If anything fails, post a message to [[User_talk:Frazyl]] or send a mudmail to Frazyl.
  
:There's always the RSS feed:
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
:feed://discworld.imaginary-realities.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
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:-[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 23:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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We're getting pounded with spam again; I've had to block 9 IPs in the last 48 hours :(
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==Clubs pages==
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Also asked by Emily for other mudders is to have pages for clubs. This is fine, you can create pages for your club as a subpage like [[Club/Charm Chasers]].
  
Any progress on the CAPTCHA issue?
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The club pages will be listed automagically in the [[Club]] page.
--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 09:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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Maybe instead of a CAPTCHA, etc., we could do what [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage TV Tropes] does: disallow edits from non-logged in users, but have a default "anonymous" login (with the username and password shown in the "You need to log in to edit" message). Would that be an easier thing to set up? It seems to work well for them. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 23:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 16:39, 9 November 2018 (EST)
  
:Well, wasn't that fun. I've just finished dealing with a ''very'' large spam influx - I think I've blocked/deleted/protected more IPs/pages today than the sum of all block/delete/protected by everyone previously.
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==Todo==
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*Update to latest MediaWiki.
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*Move quests to individual pages in quests namespace (to prevent showing up in default search) with warning at the beginning and include them all in existing pages. This makes it easier to read the whole quest if you want to or to edit it, it still shows the pages with hidden text like now for those who prefer that, and it allows linking quests in several lists.
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*Think of a way to allow people to create accounts themselves by checking that they have accounts on the mud, copy/pasting something from the mud or something like that.
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*Document everything on the mud. {{Research}}
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
  
:My analysis of the pages hit suggests that the spambots are all following the same algorithm:
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== TM wiki gone ==
:# Start at main page
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:# Follow any link to another page
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:# Follow any link from that page to another page
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:# Edit and spamify
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:In other words, all pages hit are within two links of the main page. Unfortunately, this encompasses a vast number of pages. I've pre-emptively protected all the pages that are immediately linked from the main page, but there are simply too many for me to deal with all the second-degree links.
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As Aphaea noticed, the [http://tmwiki.firstserved.net/ TM wiki] is gone, but archive.org still has several snapshots, [http://web.archive.org/web/20120818122620/http://tmwiki.firstserved.net/index.php/The_TM_Project this is the latest one]. Aphaea has started copying data across, I was just wondering: Would it be better to have the TM stuff on the skills' research pages? --[[User:Gunde|Gunde]] 16:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
  
:If we get much more spam on this scale, then we're going to be overwhelmed, so I think the case for installing some kind of anti-spam extension is becoming urgent.
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I think it's fine either way. I'd prefer if all the bonus ranges were on the same page because it means less clicking. The way Aphaea is doing seems fine to me, especially since there's links to other skills to help navigation. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 17:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 18:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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::I hope to god that was a one off. I don't envy you having to deal with that. Further measures to stop spam will be essential is it continues on that level. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 01:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 
  
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Working on creating a house format for the TMs section being added to all the skills pages.
  
Woe, looks like the spam bots got into the Special:WantedPages list and started creating many of those with spam. :(
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So far removing all anomalies at the start of fields and capitalzing them however I will be aiming to have the 'action taken' field in a set format rather than it is now, before i work out how this will be i would like peoples input (If this page is still used --[[User:Ascdren|Ascdren]] 13:27 30 march 2013 (UTC)
 
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If there's a large proportion of the spam on pages in talk and research namespaces like it seems to be, perhaps disallow anonymous users to create talk or other namespaces pages?
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Otherwise if they target uncreated pages, maybe a bot could make stubs?
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 23:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Nah, looks like they're still following the 'two links from the front page' algorithm.  They got to all those weapons through Main Page->Wanted weapons->*  This is also why they hit talk/research a lot.  There are simply too many potential pages for a bot to stub, and the spambots don't seem to care whether the page already exists or not, so creating them would be largely pointless in any case.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 23:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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::Urgh.  Well, I've removed the red links from wanted weapons, so hopefully that will help nip some of it in the bud. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 00:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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::ETA: Links are back, and those pages are now all protected. For future reference, I did this by using find and replace to turn all the page names into links starting with <tt>http://discworld.imaginary-realities.com/w/index.php?title=</tt>, having the title in the middle, and having <tt>&action=protect&mwProtect-level-create=autoconfirmed&mwProtect-reason=preemptive</tt> at the end.  That makes it so that the correct protection level is selected and "preemptive" is given as a reason, and all you have to do is click confirm.  Probably the easiest way to do a bunch of these without actually writing a bot for it. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 03:33, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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To bring up the CAPTCHA issue again, I think [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA this extension] would work great and be a big help. It appears to only trigger when an edit includes an external link, and it has an audio version for accessibility.  I'm not sure, but it seems we might even be able to create a whitelist of allowed sites, too, since [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#Captcha_url_whitelist the extension it's based on lets you do this]. Whitelisting Kefka's site would probably take care of most legitimate anonymous edits with links. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 06:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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:I think it would be fair to add a captcha of some kind, especially if it's only there when adding links to outside the wiki (possibly user registration too?) and if we can exclude Kefka's site, the priest wiki, the Tm wiki and the Discworld Mud web site we shouldn't need to see it very often. We can always add more sites to the white list too.
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:This should nicely prevent sudden deluge of spam edits when they find more pages for whatever reasons.
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:Semiprotecting pages being rather limited, time consuming and preventing valid unregistered users to edit pages doesn't make the status quo all that glamorous.
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:--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 06:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Sounds good. Spam is starting to get silly, need to do something about it. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 12:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hurray, the captcha is up and seems to be working! :) Thanks Drakkos!
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Seems like the white list '''talk page''' at [[MediaWiki talk:Captcha-addurl-whitelist]] can only be edited by sysop?
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When the whitelist does work I think these urls should probably go in because they are linked to a lot:
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discworld\.atuin\.net/              # Official discworld mud site
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discworld\.imaginary-realities\.com/ # This wiki and subsites
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daftjunk\.com/                      # Kefka's site, maps, itemdb
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dwpriests\.com/                      # Priests Guild Wiki, all rituals link there
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disc-wizards\.com/                  # New spellcheck site, all wizard spells link there
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tmwiki\.firstserved\.net/index\.php/ # TM Project wiki, for skills tm info and misc pages
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</pre>
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Also, should some of the pages protected because of spam be unprotected now so unregistered users can contribute or is that a bad idea?
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 20:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Probably a good idea... it ''is'' nice for actual people to be able to make legitimate edits without creating accounts. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 21:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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:I have added it although it's not working according to the talk page? [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 00:01, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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::I have removed the protection on the talk page. Can you guys conform you can/can't edit the whitelist itself? It seems to have some automatic protection but I'm unsure of the level. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 00:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::Confirmed I can't edit the whitelist, it just gives show source. Also confirm that the whitelist does appear not to be working, added a page with a link to discworld.atuin.net and it put a captcha. Not sure why it wouldn't work. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 04:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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Ack, something seems to have changed how the captcha without javascript works. If you have discworld.imaginary-realities.com allowed now you also need to allow javascript from recaptcha.net and google.com and the field to enter the challenge presents black text on black background. :( --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 19:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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==Archiving==
 
==Archiving==
The main talk page was getting pretty big, so I've archived the old bits off.
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To archive the {{PAGENAME}}:
 
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*Create a new archive page called 'Talk:{{PAGENAME}}''/Archive X', where X is the number after the last archive page listed on top of this page.
The process for doing this is:
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*Move any sections which have been solved or that are old and not useful anymore to this new page.  
*Archive talk pages when you start seeing the "'''WARNING: This page is X kilobytes long'''; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." message when editing them.
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*Put the {{tl|talkarchive}} template at the top of the archive page.
*Move any sections which have not had edits within the last 30 days to the archive page.
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*Update the {{tl|archives}} template (increase numarchives by one) at the top of this page.
*The archive page is called 'Talk:''pagename''/Archive X', where X is 1, 2, 3, etc.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
*Put the {{tl|talkarchive}} template at the top of each archive page.
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*Put (or update) the {{tl|archives}} template at the top of the main talk page.
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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==Viewing figures==
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Just thought you guys might like to know - unique daily visits to the site for the month of December 2009 broke 1,000 - we hit 1,001, as a matter of fact. 
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For interest, here are the figures for the past few months:
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Mar 2010        1104
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Feb 2010        1212
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Jan 2010        1114
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Dec 2009 1001
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Nov 2009 919
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Oct 2009 796
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Sep 2009 676
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Aug 2009 540
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Jul 2009 398
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Jun 2009 279
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May 2009 165
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</pre>
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Great work everyone - many thanks for your continued work in making this wiki a great resource for DW players everywhere!  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 21:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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:January 2010 hit 1114 unique daily visits, FWIW.  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 00:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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:February 2010 : 1212
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::Interesting. Increasing fairly consistently. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 13:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Quest pages ==
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What's the plan for the quest pages to remain in sync? That is, quests are duplicated on several pages, odds are modifications on one page won't be made on all of them unless everyone is aware that the quest is also present on another page.
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I thought that maybe there was a wiki thing in place so that sections from one page came from another or that they mirrored each other but apparently not. Not sure if that's something that actually exists. Anyone know?
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Barring that, should we remove duplicate quests and replace some of them with links? Or some other way to keep all the quest text in sync?
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I came up with some ways to handle the issue:
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*Make a page for every quest, the other pages link to the quest page. Downside is there will be lots of pages.
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*Put all quests on one page, then the other pages link to the section of the quest. Probably a bad idea because the page would be too big.
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*Make sure each quest is only on one page and that other pages are only links. Would need to decide on a level (domain/area/city) which would hold the real quest text.
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*Add comments in the source of duplicated quests that the other version needs to be updated as well. People could miss that though.
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*Insert idea here.
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Or does everyone feel quests duplicated on several pages is no big deal after all? [[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 22:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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:The third one would be easiest, but... eh.  The first one is probably the best solution (possibly we could even stop using hidden text), but I don't like that they would then show up in [[Special:Random]].  They do currently, but it's not especially important because 1)there are comparatively few of them, and 2)spoilers are hidden and mostly below the fold anyway.  There are only 1,234 content pages currently, so if we added a few hundred quest pages they'd be a significant portion of that.  Maybe if we had a separate namespace ([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces]) for them?  Then they wouldn't show up randomly. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 02:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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::A separate namespace sounds good especially if it allows us to show the text unhidden. As it turns out Special:Random also excludes redirects, so we could add redirects from the normal namespace for pages people might search or we want to link to... Probably only entry pages with warnings like Category:Quest pages and Unofficial_Quest_Solutions. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 02:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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::: I actually like the hidden text as it enables me to uncover the mystery line by line if required (for example if I get stuck just because I cannot figure out the right verb, "exacto" comes to mind...). --[[User:Gunde|Gunde]] 23:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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So, will someone create a quest namespace for quest articles? Or should we put them in the research namespace?
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The primary advantage of a quest namespace is that this will stop quest pages appearing in [[Special:Random]], which can send someone who doesn't want to be spoiled to a quest page and it will stop them appearing in default search (happens when the article doesn't exist) [[Special:Search]], which will reveal the context of the search, that is unhidden quest info.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 18:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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:AFAIK, creating a new namespace requires editing the server's LocalSettings.php; as such it's something that only [[User talk:Drakkos|Drakkos]] can do, so you should speak to him.
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:Please don't move quests into the Research: namespace - that will end up polluting Research: with things that aren't research, and we don't want that.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 22:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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Ok, so I came up with a few ideas to improve quest pages. For the namespace I was waiting for the captcha to be installed first so as not to ask too much at once...
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So I made a template {{tl|Prehidden}} that basically is like {{tl|prebox}} with white on white text. The advantage of prebox is that it preserves line breaks and spaces and other characters without breaking out too easily as with &lt;p> (making a list with * or : makes everything after visible) while removing then obsolete &lt;br> tags and allowing some formatting like '''bold''' or ''italic''. Also it puts a pretty box around the text.
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:See [[Alchemists'_Guild_quests]] for examples.
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If it is agreeable we could turn {{tl|Hidden}} like {{tl|Prehidden}} unless there something that I didn't think of.
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As for quest duplication, it is possible to include pages with {{tl|Include}}. It's only a matter of merging quests into the subpage and the template includes them with formatting and a link to the included page.
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:As for what includes what [[Unofficial_quest_solutions]] looks good, there's some difference to the structure of the Discworld quest pages though.
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If we get a namespace for quests, I was thinking that each quest could get its own page in non-hidden text, which would then be included in the lists in {{tl|Prehidden}} boxes. So if you don't want to be spoiled too much you can check the lists and to edit the quest and to be spoiled it would be easier to see it all at once in the quest page. It would use a tweaked include template.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 07:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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:Ooooo!  The include templates are a neat solution for the duplication issue; kudos for that. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 03:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
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Slight issue, when including a page with the template include it doesn't work. You'd think it would check if there really was a loop, but no it just refuses to do anything. The only workaround that comes to mind is to make duplicate {{tl|Include}} templates, one per level. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 07:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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Ok all pages have the same format and duplicate quests have all been merged except for Sentimentalist and Distant Exhibitionist which have several versions.
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Some quests fitted several areas, put them in the most important area. To place a quest in several areas would mean putting the quests in individual quest pages and including those in all list pages that is concerned, but we said that would be too many pages so we'd need the quest namespace. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 02:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
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It occurred to me that while we can't include the text of the quests that could go in several places in more than one place (because we can't include sections, only pages as far as I know with mediawiki) we could place links to the quest.
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Might be worth going through the quests vs the mud quest pages to put stubs for quests missing and links to quests that are somewhere else, at some point.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 23:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
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==Sidebar==
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I've just spotted that the contents of the sidebar (that's the bit on the left with navigation/search/toolbox) can be changed.
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Does anyone have any suggestions for things they'd like to see added/removed from it?
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FWIW:
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* I think we should probably do away with [[Discworld MUD Wiki:Current events|current events]] and [[Special:Random|random page]] - the former isn't really used; the latter I doubt gets much use either, and causes some problems on its own (quest spoilers, spam portal).
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* Adding [[status]] to the sidebar sounds like a good idea.
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 21:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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Yes those changes sound good. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 20:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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:Sounds good to me. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 00:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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::Need to edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]], it's read only for me. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 03:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Database Error ==
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I don't know if this is the place to put this, or if this is just me, but I've been getting this a fair bit when I search:
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Database error
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From Discworld MUD Wiki
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You searched for pig (all pages starting with "pig" | all pages that link to "pig")
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Jump to: navigation, search
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
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    (SQL query hidden)
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from within function "". MySQL returned error "145: Table './imagi55_mudwiki/searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".
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[[User:Karesore|Karesore]] 15:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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: I always get that these days, and I figured Drakkos is probably the only person who can fix it. I mailed him yesterday, but haven't heard anything yet.
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: --[[User:Gunde|Gunde]] 16:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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As requested a while ago, I installed a captcha for the wiki so as to cut down on all the spam policing y'all have to do.  The search feature has been fixed a couple of times, but it doesn't seem to take.  I'll keep my eye on it though.  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 20:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Woo! Thanks. And the search thing seems to be working again, too.... --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 21:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 12:52, 20 September 2020

Filing cabinet.gif Old content for this page has been archived, and can be found at the following locations.
Main Page/Archive 1Main Page/Archive 2Main Page/Archive 3
Main Page/Archive 4Main Page/Archive 5Main Page/Archive 6

Important message, outages, announcements, etc

If the mud is down or you need to announce some big thing happening or there's a bug that does something super bad or similar please:

  1. Go copy a message you like from Editing Sitenotice
  2. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and paste and edit the message for this specific use. Save.
  3. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice id and increase the number by 1. Save.

This can only be done by users with the editinterface permission. These users have access.

After the notice has served its use:

  1. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and clear everything so it doesn't leave a ghost dismiss link.
  2. (Optional) Copy your super cool new message that might be reused in Editing Sitenotice.


If you cannot modify that page, then edit Sitenotice with the message you would like to be displayer on all wiki pages.

  • This is not currently going to update the banner. This will have to be done manually. But it should be noticed and someone will (probably) modify MediaWiki:Sitenotice or offer feedback.


See also the Status page for a place to discuss issues.

--Frazyl (talk) 12:50, 20 September 2020 (EDT)

Alternative login: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242

Note for 18 Sep 2020 by QingFeng: The usual path to the MUD discworld.starturtle.net port 4242 is down! There is an alternative path to the mud: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242. This is not a temporary copy of the MUD, it is another path to the actual MUD.

(One) Wodan wisps: and this is NOT a temp mud, but the real thing, in case anyone wasn't clear on that yet

Adding users to the wiki

Administrators for this wiki can create new accounts if anyone playing on the mud wants one. The only criteria right now is that they must have an account on Discworld mud. The account name should match one of their mud account name or be a recognizable variation of it. Accounts of past players are kept to know who modified what even if they are deleted from the mud.

Players should contact through the mud someone from this list who has been active on the mud recently asking for an account to be made for them.

The procedure for wiki administrators is:

  1. Go to Special:CreateAccount, when logged in.
  2. With email
    1. Enter a username and an email address, and click the "by email" button.
    2. The account will be created with a random password which is then emailed to the given address (as with the "forgot password" feature). The user will be requested to change password at first login; when they do, their e-mail address will also be marked as confirmed.
  3. Without email
    1. Without an email the administrator enters the requested password or makes a random one.
    2. They then send the password to the user by mudmail telling them to login and change their password to something else.
  4. If anything fails, post a message to User_talk:Frazyl or send a mudmail to Frazyl.

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)

Clubs pages

Also asked by Emily for other mudders is to have pages for clubs. This is fine, you can create pages for your club as a subpage like Club/Charm Chasers.

The club pages will be listed automagically in the Club page.

--Frazyl (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Todo

  • Update to latest MediaWiki.
  • Move quests to individual pages in quests namespace (to prevent showing up in default search) with warning at the beginning and include them all in existing pages. This makes it easier to read the whole quest if you want to or to edit it, it still shows the pages with hidden text like now for those who prefer that, and it allows linking quests in several lists.
  • Think of a way to allow people to create accounts themselves by checking that they have accounts on the mud, copy/pasting something from the mud or something like that.
  • Document everything on the mud. research

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)

TM wiki gone

As Aphaea noticed, the TM wiki is gone, but archive.org still has several snapshots, this is the latest one. Aphaea has started copying data across, I was just wondering: Would it be better to have the TM stuff on the skills' research pages? --Gunde 16:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine either way. I'd prefer if all the bonus ranges were on the same page because it means less clicking. The way Aphaea is doing seems fine to me, especially since there's links to other skills to help navigation. --Frazyl 17:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


Working on creating a house format for the TMs section being added to all the skills pages.

So far removing all anomalies at the start of fields and capitalzing them however I will be aiming to have the 'action taken' field in a set format rather than it is now, before i work out how this will be i would like peoples input (If this page is still used --Ascdren 13:27 30 march 2013 (UTC)

Archiving

To archive the Main Page:

  • Create a new archive page called 'Talk:Main Page/Archive X', where X is the number after the last archive page listed on top of this page.
  • Move any sections which have been solved or that are old and not useful anymore to this new page.
  • Put the {{talkarchive}} template at the top of the archive page.
  • Update the {{archives}} template (increase numarchives by one) at the top of this page.

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)