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== Skills ==
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==Important message, outages, announcements, etc==
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If the mud is down or you need to announce some big thing happening or there's a bug that does something super bad or similar please:
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#Go copy a message you like from [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit Editing Sitenotice]
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and paste and edit the message for this specific use. Save.
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice id]] and increase the number by 1. Save.
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This can only be done by users with the <code>editinterface</code> permission. [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop These users] have access.
  
What's going on with this stuff?
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After the notice has served its use:
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and clear everything so it doesn't leave a ghost dismiss link.
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#(Optional) Copy your super cool new message that might be reused in [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit Editing Sitenotice].
  
{{Ma.Me.Ph.Ev}}
 
  
[[Transcendent_Pneumatic_Alleviator#Skills | Where I found that thing]]. I'm reluctant to just change it to straight links wherever I see it, because I'm not really sure what it's supposed to be doing. But I think something went horribly wrong with it, somewhere.  --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 20:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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If you cannot modify that page, then [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit edit Sitenotice] with the message you would like to be displayer on all wiki pages.
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*This is not currently going to update the banner. This will have to be done manually. But it should be noticed and someone will (probably) modify [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] or offer feedback.
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*This is a little buggy at this time, so someone might have to copy it to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] for it to work. Research to improve this is ongoing.
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*Then visit [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=purge this page] or [{{SERVER}}/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice?action=purge this one], if you see <code>OK</code> below <code>Clear the cache of this page?</code> the click OK to update the transclusion of the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] that holds the real message. You probably have to be logged in to purge. This might take several minutes to update.
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:I assume it was some grand plan to create links to skills which would then reside in their own skills namespace?  Personally, I think that would be overkill.  The random code after the boxes must have been speculatively added against the day that the ParserFunctions library would be installed.
 
  
:Generally speaking, I've been removing these as I go along and replacing them with just plain links to skills (eg. [[magic.spells.offensive]]), as:
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See also the [[Status]] page for a place to discuss issues.
:*(Primarily) The code leaking out looks pretty bad, and it can always be added back in later if/as/when ParserFunctions is installed.
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:*(Secondarily) I hate to say this, as someone clearly put time/effort into it, but the colours and boxes just look wrong in an article - they clash with the conventional formatting and make the skill unnecessarily stand out.
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:As an aside, I encountered some naming issues when building articles with skills in:
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 12:50, 20 September 2020 (EDT)
:*We don't want to use their common abbreviations (eg. 'ma.sp.of') as:
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:**Not everyone uses the same abbreviations (eg. 'ma.sp.off').
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:**There are some that are ambiguous (eg. the much cursed 'ma.me.me.ch' is either charming or channeling), and we probably want to create disambiguation pages for those.
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:**The article title looks a little unprofessional.
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:*Similarly, just using the leaf portion of the skills can also be ambiguous (eg. 'misc' or 'points').
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:*However, these are both the sort of things that people will enter into the search box.
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:So far, I've been creating them with their full name, and at some point in the future I plan to add in the common abbreviations as redirects or disambiguations as required.
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== Alternative login: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242 ==
  
:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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Note for 18 Sep 2020 by QingFeng: The usual path to the MUD discworld.starturtle.net port 4242 is down! There is an alternative path to the mud: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242. This is not a temporary copy of the MUD, it is another path to the actual MUD.
  
::It may be worth later creating something similar but less stylised, to create skill statements that look something like:<nowiki>[[Magic_(skill)|magic]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods|methods]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods.Mental|mental]].[[Magic_skill(skill)#Methods.Mental.Charming|charming]]</nowiki> (which comes out as: [[Magic_(skill)|magic]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods|methods]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods.Mental|mental]].[[Magic_skill(skill)#Methods.Mental.Charming|charming]]) or just <nowiki>[[Magic_(skill)#Methods.Mental.Charming|magic.methods.mental.charming]]</nowiki>. Either way, if we use them as templates now instead of ordinary links, it becomes much easier to change later. --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t)]] 22:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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(One) Wodan wisps: and this is NOT a temp mud, but the real thing, in case anyone wasn't clear on that yet
  
:::That's true. Though personally I think it's nicer to just link the whole thing directly to the full skill (since if you link to every level it's easy to misread the whole thing as one link and click the wrong part--and how often do you care about a category skill, i.e. magic.methods, anyway?) and have the leaf skills in ''categories''. So faith would be a category containing faith.rituals, faith.items, and faith.points; faith.rituals would be a subcategory containing faith.rituals.offensive, and so on.  Not that templates would interfere with that, of course. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 03:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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==Adding users to the wiki==
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Administrators for this wiki can create new accounts if anyone playing on the mud wants one. The only criteria right now is that they must have an account on Discworld mud. The account name should match one of their mud account name or be a recognizable variation of it. Accounts of past players are kept to know who modified what even if they are deleted from the mud.
  
These boxes are left over from the merging of my wiki with this one; the player who was adding the magic articles had a Grand Plan that I didn't quite understand, but it made her happy and looked like it was probably useful, so I went along with it. [[User:TherionAndAlts|-TherionAndAlts]] 07:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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Players should contact through the mud someone from [{{fullurl:Special:ListUsers|group=sysop}} this list] who has been active on the mud recently asking for an account to be made for them.
  
== Anonymous users and spam ==
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The procedure for wiki administrators is:
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#Go to [[Special:CreateAccount]], when logged in.
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#With email
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##Enter a username and an email address, and click the "by email" button.
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##The account will be created with a random password which is then emailed to the given address (as with the "forgot password" feature). The user will be requested to change password at first login; when they do, their e-mail address will also be marked as confirmed.
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#Without email
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##Without an email the administrator enters the requested password or makes a random one.
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##They then send the password to the user by mudmail telling them to login and change their password to something else.
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#If anything fails, post a message to [[User_talk:Frazyl]] or send a mudmail to Frazyl.
  
Should we consider disabling anonymous editing to reduce spam? Do we feel that anyone is likely to particularly want to make anonymous contributions? Personally, I'd like it because it would stop me making edits while logged out, but it would also mean much less despamifying. A CAPTCHA extension may also be useful, but there are valid points against it.  See also [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam Mediawiki manual: combating spam]. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 07:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
  
:Proactive or Reactive? Unless it becomes a real problem, I think it's better to react to it case by case. If it becomes a major issue then is the time to consider proactive solutions. As far as I know we've only had one instance? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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==Clubs pages==
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Also asked by Emily for other mudders is to have pages for clubs. This is fine, you can create pages for your club as a subpage like [[Club/Charm Chasers]].
  
:: Rather a few more than one, and I'm a big fan of proactive. ;) See [[Special:Log/block]] for a list of IPs we've blocked (most are spammers, and some committed multiple instances of spamming). It also seems to be getting worse.  I've blocked eight IPs today, not that doing that helps.  I'm currently protecting (making user-editable only) pages after a few attacks, as once the bots start on a page, they won't stop. [[Special:RecentChanges]] seems to be filling up with spam and spam fixing. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 10:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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The club pages will be listed automagically in the [[Club]] page.
  
:::ns and whois lookups suggest that these may be botnets. Whether knowing this helps or not I don't know. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 11:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 16:39, 9 November 2018 (EST)
  
::Yesterday I would have agreed with a reactive stance; today we got a whole bunch of spam dumped on us. I had thought that the spam bots were naively targetting direct links from the main page (makes sense - they have less computational work to do that way), in which case simply protecting all links from the main page would have worked nicely. Unfortunately, today's aren't following that pattern.  
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==Todo==
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*Update to latest MediaWiki.
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*Move quests to individual pages in quests namespace (to prevent showing up in default search) with warning at the beginning and include them all in existing pages. This makes it easier to read the whole quest if you want to or to edit it, it still shows the pages with hidden text like now for those who prefer that, and it allows linking quests in several lists.
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*Think of a way to allow people to create accounts themselves by checking that they have accounts on the mud, copy/pasting something from the mud or something like that.
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*Document everything on the mud. {{Research}}
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
  
::For now, I've pre-emptively protected the main page - it's a very obvious spammer target, and I'm slightly surprised it hasn't been hit already.
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== TM wiki gone ==
  
::In the long run, we want a solution which:
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As Aphaea noticed, the [http://tmwiki.firstserved.net/ TM wiki] is gone, but archive.org still has several snapshots, [http://web.archive.org/web/20120818122620/http://tmwiki.firstserved.net/index.php/The_TM_Project this is the latest one]. Aphaea has started copying data across, I was just wondering: Would it be better to have the TM stuff on the skills' research pages? --[[User:Gunde|Gunde]] 16:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
::*Will stop most of the spam (I doubt we can stop all of it)
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::*Won't discourage people from just coming along and editing.
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::To that end, I think it's possible to use captcha without being heavy-handed about it - one of the common wiki captcha options is to require it for edits made from non-confirmed accounts which are attempting to insert links to 'unrecognized external sites'. This would have blocked all the spam we've had so far, with a pretty minimal effect on legitimate edits (especially if 'discworld.atuin.net' is a 'recognized external site'), so would be pretty much ideal.  That would get my vote.
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I think it's fine either way. I'd prefer if all the bonus ranges were on the same page because it means less clicking. The way Aphaea is doing seems fine to me, especially since there's links to other skills to help navigation. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 17:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
  
::--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
  
::: Happy to agree, although do I even have a vote anyway :) [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 17:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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Working on creating a house format for the TMs section being added to all the skills pages.
:::A low level captcha would be a good approach. We will have to make some sacrifices which may discourage random editing, but that's unavoidable if we want to stop the spam. We could add a limited protection and if that doesn't stop the majority of the vandalism we could step up to a higher level. Using captcha on adding external links would not solve every problem though, as there seems to be a lot of gibberish vandalism. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 19:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::I'm for the captcha option as well; this is getting ridiculous.  But looking at the history I do see a ''few'' legitimate edits by anonymous users, so it doesn't seem the right thing to block anons entirely. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 19:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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::::Blocking anons entirely should never be an option. But we will probably have to limit it in some way. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 20:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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As an aside, I managed to get the files pointed to on wiki.ubuntu.com by the linkspan (which were malware aimed at windows, what a surprise) removed, and hopefully ubuntu.com web admins will be improving their own security .... maybe it's worth remembering for an incident like this that other websites might be affected and we may be in a position to warn them too ..... [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 00:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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So far removing all anomalies at the start of fields and capitalzing them however I will be aiming to have the 'action taken' field in a set format rather than it is now, before i work out how this will be i would like peoples input (If this page is still used --[[User:Ascdren|Ascdren]] 13:27 30 march 2013 (UTC)
 
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I know what might be useful. If the wiki could announce recent changes using an irc channel on taffyd.sydmud.com. Probably just a flight of fantasy though. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 13:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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:There's always the RSS feed:
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:feed://discworld.imaginary-realities.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
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:-[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 23:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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We're getting pounded with spam again; I've had to block 9 IPs in the last 48 hours :(
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Any progress on the CAPTCHA issue?
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 09:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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Maybe instead of a CAPTCHA, etc., we could do what [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage TV Tropes] does: disallow edits from non-logged in users, but have a default "anonymous" login (with the username and password shown in the "You need to log in to edit" message). Would that be an easier thing to set up? It seems to work well for them. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 23:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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:Well, wasn't that fun.  I've just finished dealing with a ''very'' large spam influx - I think I've blocked/deleted/protected more IPs/pages today than the sum of all block/delete/protected by everyone previously. 
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:My analysis of the pages hit suggests that the spambots are all following the same algorithm:
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:# Start at main page
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:# Follow any link to another page
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:# Follow any link from that page to another page
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:# Edit and spamify
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:In other words, all pages hit are within two links of the main page.  Unfortunately, this encompasses a vast number of pages.  I've pre-emptively protected all the pages that are immediately linked from the main page, but there are simply too many for me to deal with all the second-degree links.
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:If we get much more spam on this scale, then we're going to be overwhelmed, so I think the case for installing some kind of anti-spam extension is becoming urgent.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 18:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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::I hope to god that was a one off. I don't envy you having to deal with that. Further measures to stop spam will be essential is it continues on that level. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 01:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
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Woe, looks like the spam bots got into the Special:WantedPages list and started creating many of those with spam. :(
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If there's a large proportion of the spam on pages in talk and research namespaces like it seems to be, perhaps disallow anonymous users to create talk or other namespaces pages?
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Otherwise if they target uncreated pages, maybe a bot could make stubs?
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 23:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Nah, looks like they're still following the 'two links from the front page' algorithm.  They got to all those weapons through Main Page->Wanted weapons->*  This is also why they hit talk/research a lot.  There are simply too many potential pages for a bot to stub, and the spambots don't seem to care whether the page already exists or not, so creating them would be largely pointless in any case.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 23:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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::Urgh.  Well, I've removed the red links from wanted weapons, so hopefully that will help nip some of it in the bud. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 00:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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::ETA: Links are back, and those pages are now all protected. For future reference, I did this by using find and replace to turn all the page names into links starting with <tt>http://discworld.imaginary-realities.com/w/index.php?title=</tt>, having the title in the middle, and having <tt>&action=protect&mwProtect-level-create=autoconfirmed&mwProtect-reason=preemptive</tt> at the end.  That makes it so that the correct protection level is selected and "preemptive" is given as a reason, and all you have to do is click confirm.  Probably the easiest way to do a bunch of these without actually writing a bot for it. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 03:33, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Moved Newbie Guides Section... ==
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...so that all our Newbie-Friendly articles are now in one place. To this end:<br>
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1. Added the articles and external links that were in "A Newbie's Guide to Discworld" to the Newbie Guides category.<br>
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2. Redirected the link on the main page to the category article.<br>
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3. Profit!<br>
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[[User:TherionAndAlts|-TherionAndAlts]] 10:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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==Judge crackdown==
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Despite [[judge|various]] [[Research:Judge|pages]] [[Category talk:swords|indicating]] that this is unwise, people are still:
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*Creating/editing pages that imply that there are 10 judge categories (example: '08/10 (Very good)', [[:Category:Swords|here]]) - there aren't, there are actually 15.
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*Creating/editing pages that use someone's judge category to compare or rate weapons (example: [[:Category:Excellent swords]]) - this isn't helpful as judge category is ''subjective'' - what you judge a weapon as isn't necessarily the same as what someone else does, depending on ad.ev.we bonuses.
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Now, I don't attach any blame to individuals here - people can't be expected to read all talk/research pages, and many of the latest ones are probably arising from copy/pasting existing articles - however, this needs to stop.
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So far, I've been taking a softly-softly approach on this subject:
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*{{tl|infobox weapon}} will accept being called with just a judge category, and will even tolerate things like '8/10'. 
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*I've set the template's documentation to request that people don't do this.
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Unfortunately, this just isn't working - more of the offending articles keep being created - and the more people add articles with these issues in, the harder our future job will be to fix them.  It's hard for me to contact individuals on this matter and ask them to stop, as many of such edits are made by anonymous IP.
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To that end, I'm now taking a somewhat more forceful approach to this matter:
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*I've tweaked {{tl|infobox weapon}} and {{tl|judge}}.  Any edits to pages using either of these as of a week from now will automatically refuse to display a judge rating, and will instead display nice red text requesting that the editor stop using the deprecated syntax and provide their bonus.  Note that this should only affect edits ''after'' that date - so we won't suddenly get a giant swathe of red-texted infoboxes in existing articles at that point.
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*I've created two new warning templates - {{tl|Judge category is subjective}} and {{tl|There are not 10 judge categories}} - which I shall be adding to the worst offending articles.  These can also be added to logged-in users' talk pages.
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*I propose deleting '''all''' of 'Category:Excellent swords/axes/maces/etc.', and shall do so in a week's time unless there are serious objections.  For now, each of these will be tagged indicating that it is a candidate for deletion.
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Obviously, these will be fairly drastic changes - therefore, I've time-delayed them by a week to give people time to discuss/object/complain.  Until that time, all that will happen is that various articles will have warning tags added to them.
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If you have any questions, objections, or other discussion on this subject, please raise them here in this section (remember to indent and sign your posts!).
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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:How strange; I wonder how the idea that there are ten judge categories got started, then.
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:*goes off to edit the category pages*--[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 23:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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::I wondered that too; with hindsight it seems like a rash assumption, but I can think of several good reasons why people would have thought 10 to be the correct number:
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::*[http://www.geocities.com/dwweapons/ Coilla's weapon page] may have been the original source.
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::*Many people have ad.ev.we bonuses in the region of 200, at which there are 10 categories (plus 'Poor' as 'category zero')
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::*Quite a lot of other things (eg. [[vurdere]], [[condition]]) have 10 or 10+1 categories.
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::*10 is a nice round number
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::--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 23:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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:::Reasonable. Hmmm... I was going to suggest some "whatevers with ratings of 94 or over" categories to replace the "Excellent whatevers" ones, but that's not really necessary, what with the sortable tables. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 23:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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I've been the one creating the weapons articles, and yes, Coilla's was my original source (I've been judging the weapons myself but used Coilla's /10 system, since I hadn't yet run across any weapons worse than "pretty poor"). The IP in question is me; I occasionally forget to log in.
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I wasn't aware of the discussion regarding this subject until just recently. In the future, if you wish to discuss something I'm doing, please leave it on my talk page, where I'm more likely to see it. ;)
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I've updated the weapon pages (all of them as needs it, I believe) to reflect the proper number of judge categories. I propose repurposing the "Excellent" category pages to display weapons whose upper rating is 100; keeping the "100 club" (or whatever) page is handy given that many players will only wish to view the best weapons available in game.
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Furthermore, these pages allow someone to sort ''only'' "100 club" weapons by weight, number of specials, and so on. Mind, if any of you know how to write a table with multiple sortable parameters, that'd be even better; but in the meantime, the pages perform a valuable function.
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[[User:TherionAndAlts|-TherionAndAlts]] 12:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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:See my comments at [[Talk:Judge]] (I moved the previous discussion from [[Research:Judge]] to there) - I think it's still pretty ambiguous as to what should/should not go in the 'best weapons' categories; and for that reason we're probably better off just sticking with a sortable list in the main category.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 16:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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==Archiving==
 
==Archiving==
The main talk page was getting pretty big, so I've archived the old bits off.
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*Create a new archive page called 'Talk:{{PAGENAME}}''/Archive X', where X is the number after the last archive page listed on top of this page.
The process for doing this is:
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*Move any sections which have been solved or that are old and not useful anymore to this new page.  
*Archive talk pages when you start seeing the "'''WARNING: This page is X kilobytes long'''; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." message when editing them.
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*Put the {{tl|talkarchive}} template at the top of the archive page.
*Move any sections which have not had edits within the last 30 days to the archive page.
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*Update the {{tl|archives}} template (increase numarchives by one) at the top of this page.
*The archive page is called 'Talk:''pagename''/Archive X', where X is 1, 2, 3, etc.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
*Put the {{tl|talkarchive}} template at the top of each archive page.
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*Put (or update) the {{tl|archives}} template at the top of the main talk page.
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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==Viewing figures==
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Just thought you guys might like to know - unique daily visits to the site for the month of December 2009 broke 1,000 - we hit 1,001, as a matter of fact. 
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For interest, here are the figures for the past few months:
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<pre>
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Mar 2010        1104
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Feb 2010        1212
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Jan 2010        1114
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Dec 2009 1001
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Nov 2009 919
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Oct 2009 796
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Sep 2009 676
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Aug 2009 540
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Jul 2009 398
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Jun 2009 279
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May 2009 165
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</pre>
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Great work everyone - many thanks for your continued work in making this wiki a great resource for DW players everywhere!  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 21:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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:January 2010 hit 1114 unique daily visits, FWIW.  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 00:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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:February 2010 : 1212
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::Interesting. Increasing fairly consistently. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 13:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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==Multi-infoboxes==
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Ever wanted to add an article that had multiple infoboxes in it?
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If so, you've probably come across the Ugly Infobox Stacking Problem, and ended up with something like this:
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{{Infobox weapon
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| Judge=Excellent
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| Bonus=200
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| Weight=Lots
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| Commands=Dest
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| Hands=7+1
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| Type=Misc}}
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{{Infobox stat item
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| con=+2
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| dex=+1
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| int=0
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| str=-1
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| wis=-2}}
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{{Infobox poison
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| effect=Pain
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| short=Mn Pg
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| ingredients=Crushed Womble Soul}}
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{{-}}
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Or, worse, this:
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{{-}}
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{{Infobox weapon
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| Judge=Excellent
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| Bonus=200
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| Weight=Lots
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| Commands=Dest
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| Hands=7+1
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| Type=Misc}}
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{{-}}
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{{Infobox stat item
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| con=+2
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| dex=+1
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| int=0
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| str=-1
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| wis=-2}}
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{{-}}
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{{Infobox poison
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| effect=Pain
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| short=Mn Pg
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| ingredients=Crushed Womble Soul}}
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{{-}}
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To deal with this, I've created the {{tl|multiinfobox}} template, which you can use to combine multiple infoboxes into one nice single one with tabs, which swaps between the different infobox types when you click the relevant tab.
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With multiinfobox, the above become:
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{{multiinfobox
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|num-boxes=3
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|name1=Weapon
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|name2=Stat Item
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|name3=Poison
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|box1=<nowiki></nowiki>{{Infobox weapon
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                        | Judge=Excellent
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                        | Bonus=200
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                        | Weight=Lots
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                        | Commands=Dest
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                        | Hands=7+1
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                        | Type=Misc}}
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|box2=<nowiki></nowiki>{{Infobox stat item
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                        | con=+2
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                        | dex=+1
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                        | int=0
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                        | str=-1
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                        | wis=-2}}
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|box3=<nowiki></nowiki>{{Infobox poison
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                        | effect=Pain
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                        | short=Mn Pg
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                        | ingredients=Crushed Womble Soul}}
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}}
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{{-}}
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Enjoy :)
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 23:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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:That is amazing. :D I guess we finally have a neat solution to those weapons with [[senssu fan|two different states]], too! --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 01:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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:That is handy. Anyone familiar enough code wise to incorporate [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox this]? Would be handy for custom infoboxes, and would make making new ones easier. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 03:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Abbr]] ==
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I tried to add a template for showing the meaning of abbreviations on mouse over but I can't seem to make it work.
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I'm not sure if this needs to be done by someone who can escape the tags < > so it works or if I'm missing a dependency...
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I believe this template could be helpful for:
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*Using shorthand while allowing people to hover over it and see the whole meaning.
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*Allow some data in tables to be shortened or not showed until you hover over it, since some things like description can be huge and not really helpful to always be displayed but interesting to have if someone wants to check it.
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I suppose being able to show/hide columns could do it for the second, though I'm not sure how that could be done.
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[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 17:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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:Fixed the template.  'abbr' isn't a tag that this wiki's parser allows, but 'span' works fine.<br>
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 18:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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::Thanks!
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::There's just a slight issue, there's no visible indication that you can hover over it to get more, it's not putting the dotted underline...
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::Failing that, normal underline wouldn't be too bad, trying to add &lt;u&gt; to the template didn't work and anyway it's deprecated, using style="text-decoration:underline;" doesn't seem to work either for some reason....
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::[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 19:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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:::No problem - using the 'border' elements works well as a pseudo-underline.  See {{tl|Lmoney}} for an example of where this sort of thing has been done in this wiki.<br>
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:::--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 22:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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::::Yay, Happy! Thanks!
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::::[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 22:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Quest pages ==
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What's the plan for the quest pages to remain in sync? That is, quests are duplicated on several pages, odds are modifications on one page won't be made on all of them unless everyone is aware that the quest is also present on another page.
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I thought that maybe there was a wiki thing in place so that sections from one page came from another or that they mirrored each other but apparently not. Not sure if that's something that actually exists. Anyone know?
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Barring that, should we remove duplicate quests and replace some of them with links? Or some other way to keep all the quest text in sync?
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I came up with some ways to handle the issue:
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*Make a page for every quest, the other pages link to the quest page. Downside is there will be lots of pages.
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*Put all quests on one page, then the other pages link to the section of the quest. Probably a bad idea because the page would be too big.
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*Make sure each quest is only on one page and that other pages are only links. Would need to decide on a level (domain/area/city) which would hold the real quest text.
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*Add comments in the source of duplicated quests that the other version needs to be updated as well. People could miss that though.
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*Insert idea here.
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Or does everyone feel quests duplicated on several pages is no big deal after all? [[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 22:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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:The third one would be easiest, but... eh.  The first one is probably the best solution (possibly we could even stop using hidden text), but I don't like that they would then show up in [[Special:Random]].  They do currently, but it's not especially important because 1)there are comparatively few of them, and 2)spoilers are hidden and mostly below the fold anyway.  There are only 1,234 content pages currently, so if we added a few hundred quest pages they'd be a significant portion of that.  Maybe if we had a separate namespace ([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces]) for them?  Then they wouldn't show up randomly. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 02:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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::A separate namespace sounds good especially if it allows us to show the text unhidden. As it turns out Special:Random also excludes redirects, so we could add redirects from the normal namespace for pages people might search or we want to link to... Probably only entry pages with warnings like Category:Quest pages and Unofficial_Quest_Solutions. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 02:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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::: I actually like the hidden text as it enables me to uncover the mystery line by line if required (for example if I get stuck just because I cannot figure out the right verb, "exacto" comes to mind...). --[[User:Gunde|Gunde]] 23:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Line wrapping and &lt;pre> tags ==
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As pointed out be several people, &lt;pre> tags cause issues because long lines are not wrapped when they don't fit the browser's width, making the user scroll to see it all and breaking the look of the wiki.
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I've tried to fix with the {{tl|prebox}} template so that it would function like a &lt;pre> tag with line wrap but replacing newlines doesn't work for some reason (&lt;nowiki> tags not working? might help, not quite sure.)
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I've found an extension to use string functions with special characters by using standard c-type escape character sequence: [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctionsEscaped StringFunctionsEscaped], this would most likely allow the template to work.
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But then I stumbled on a possible way to fix the &lt;pre> tags themselves, it would appear that adding this (to the existing pre section) in css might fix it:
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<pre>
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pre {
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overflow-x: auto; /* Use horizontal scroller if needed; for Firefox 2, not needed in Firefox 3 */
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white-space: pre-wrap; /* css-3 */
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white-space: -moz-pre-wrap !important; /* Mozilla, since 1999 */
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white-space: -pre-wrap; /* Opera 4-6 */
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white-space: -o-pre-wrap; /* Opera 7 */
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/* width: 99%; */
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word-wrap: break-word; /* Internet Explorer 5.5+ */
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}
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</pre>
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Adding this to the pre section in main.css file in a locally saved copy (save Web Page, complete) of a page of the wiki with &lt;pre> tags works for me in Icecat (Firefox rebranded).
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Obviously I can do none of the above myself, perhaps adding to css might work pretty well enough with the least effort for people with modern browsers?
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It would also fix the formatting if you put many white spaces at the start (same as &lt;pre> tags) which would be hard to hunt down.
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The template could then just use &lt;pre> itself. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 04:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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:Fixed thanks to Drakkos! Thanks! [[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 22:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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==Collapsible navboxes==
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By popular demand, I've now imported all the relevant javascript/css for making navboxes collapsible, and set all existing ones as 'collapsed' by default. 
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This means that by default, pages with navboxes on will look less cluttered than before (especially if it's a short page with a big navbox).
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All navboxes are now by default collapsible, and start collapsed.  You can change this, if you wish, by altering their 'state' parameter:
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* 'state=plain' results in a navbox that can't be collapsed.
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* 'state=collapsed' results in a navbox that can be collapsed, and starts collapsed.
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* 'state=uncollapsed' results in a navbox that can be collapsed, and starts uncollapsed.
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 20:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 12:52, 20 September 2020

Filing cabinet.gif Old content for this page has been archived, and can be found at the following locations.
Main Page/Archive 1Main Page/Archive 2Main Page/Archive 3
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Important message, outages, announcements, etc

If the mud is down or you need to announce some big thing happening or there's a bug that does something super bad or similar please:

  1. Go copy a message you like from Editing Sitenotice
  2. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and paste and edit the message for this specific use. Save.
  3. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice id and increase the number by 1. Save.

This can only be done by users with the editinterface permission. These users have access.

After the notice has served its use:

  1. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and clear everything so it doesn't leave a ghost dismiss link.
  2. (Optional) Copy your super cool new message that might be reused in Editing Sitenotice.


If you cannot modify that page, then edit Sitenotice with the message you would like to be displayer on all wiki pages.

  • This is not currently going to update the banner. This will have to be done manually. But it should be noticed and someone will (probably) modify MediaWiki:Sitenotice or offer feedback.


See also the Status page for a place to discuss issues.

--Frazyl (talk) 12:50, 20 September 2020 (EDT)

Alternative login: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242

Note for 18 Sep 2020 by QingFeng: The usual path to the MUD discworld.starturtle.net port 4242 is down! There is an alternative path to the mud: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242. This is not a temporary copy of the MUD, it is another path to the actual MUD.

(One) Wodan wisps: and this is NOT a temp mud, but the real thing, in case anyone wasn't clear on that yet

Adding users to the wiki

Administrators for this wiki can create new accounts if anyone playing on the mud wants one. The only criteria right now is that they must have an account on Discworld mud. The account name should match one of their mud account name or be a recognizable variation of it. Accounts of past players are kept to know who modified what even if they are deleted from the mud.

Players should contact through the mud someone from this list who has been active on the mud recently asking for an account to be made for them.

The procedure for wiki administrators is:

  1. Go to Special:CreateAccount, when logged in.
  2. With email
    1. Enter a username and an email address, and click the "by email" button.
    2. The account will be created with a random password which is then emailed to the given address (as with the "forgot password" feature). The user will be requested to change password at first login; when they do, their e-mail address will also be marked as confirmed.
  3. Without email
    1. Without an email the administrator enters the requested password or makes a random one.
    2. They then send the password to the user by mudmail telling them to login and change their password to something else.
  4. If anything fails, post a message to User_talk:Frazyl or send a mudmail to Frazyl.

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)

Clubs pages

Also asked by Emily for other mudders is to have pages for clubs. This is fine, you can create pages for your club as a subpage like Club/Charm Chasers.

The club pages will be listed automagically in the Club page.

--Frazyl (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Todo

  • Update to latest MediaWiki.
  • Move quests to individual pages in quests namespace (to prevent showing up in default search) with warning at the beginning and include them all in existing pages. This makes it easier to read the whole quest if you want to or to edit it, it still shows the pages with hidden text like now for those who prefer that, and it allows linking quests in several lists.
  • Think of a way to allow people to create accounts themselves by checking that they have accounts on the mud, copy/pasting something from the mud or something like that.
  • Document everything on the mud. research

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)

TM wiki gone

As Aphaea noticed, the TM wiki is gone, but archive.org still has several snapshots, this is the latest one. Aphaea has started copying data across, I was just wondering: Would it be better to have the TM stuff on the skills' research pages? --Gunde 16:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine either way. I'd prefer if all the bonus ranges were on the same page because it means less clicking. The way Aphaea is doing seems fine to me, especially since there's links to other skills to help navigation. --Frazyl 17:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


Working on creating a house format for the TMs section being added to all the skills pages.

So far removing all anomalies at the start of fields and capitalzing them however I will be aiming to have the 'action taken' field in a set format rather than it is now, before i work out how this will be i would like peoples input (If this page is still used --Ascdren 13:27 30 march 2013 (UTC)

Archiving

To archive the Main Page:

  • Create a new archive page called 'Talk:Main Page/Archive X', where X is the number after the last archive page listed on top of this page.
  • Move any sections which have been solved or that are old and not useful anymore to this new page.
  • Put the {{talkarchive}} template at the top of the archive page.
  • Update the {{archives}} template (increase numarchives by one) at the top of this page.

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)