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==Structure==
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{{archives|numarchives=10}}
  
I can see the main page getting incredibly large if it trioes to be an index to the whole site. Perhaps we need to start thinking about section level indexes? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 22:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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==Important message, outages, announcements, etc==
:It's not really needed just yet, but will likely be required in the future, assuming we get enough development. On a related note, I suggest we post something to frog asking for contributions, and reminding people we're here. I also notice the witch wiki has merged here, we could also invite other wikis to join us. The priest wiki would be a good candidate.. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] 14:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
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If the mud is down or you need to announce some big thing happening or there's a bug that does something super bad or similar please:
::I think that's a great idea, especially the ones who are currently hosted on sites that may be less than attractive (such as being supported by ads and such). I didn't want to do/suggest it myself because that has the potentiall to look an awful lot like coercion (which certainly wouldn't be the intention). Anyone who wants to merge a wiki here though is quite welcome to beaurocrat status - and I suspect it's more appealing to be one of several in a big wiki as opposed to one alone in a more fragmented wiki. [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 15:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
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#Go copy a message you like from [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit Editing Sitenotice]
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and paste and edit the message for this specific use. Save.
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice id]] and increase the number by 1. Save.
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This can only be done by users with the <code>editinterface</code> permission. [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop These users] have access.
  
== Merge "guides & advice" with "useful information"? ==
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After the notice has served its use:
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#Go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and clear everything so it doesn't leave a ghost dismiss link.
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#(Optional) Copy your super cool new message that might be reused in [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit Editing Sitenotice].
  
I can see the two sections being used for the same things, or people picking one over the other because it's at the top of the page. Wondering if they're similar enough to merge? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 15:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 
:Sounds good to me. Probably best at the top. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] 19:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 
::OK, 24 hours for objections, and then I'll do this. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Follow up - did this just now [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 
  
== "DW Mud" ==
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If you cannot modify that page, then [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=Sitenotice&action=edit edit Sitenotice] with the message you would like to be displayer on all wiki pages.
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*This is not currently going to update the banner. This will have to be done manually. But it should be noticed and someone will (probably) modify [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] or offer feedback.
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*This is a little buggy at this time, so someone might have to copy it to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] for it to work. Research to improve this is ongoing.
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*Then visit [{{SERVER}}/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=purge this page] or [{{SERVER}}/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice?action=purge this one], if you see <code>OK</code> below <code>Clear the cache of this page?</code> the click OK to update the transclusion of the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] that holds the real message. You probably have to be logged in to purge. This might take several minutes to update.
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The name of the wiki's a little dull, I propose we expand it a little:
 
*DW Mud Wiki
 
*Discworld MUD Wiki
 
*Unofficial Discworld MUD Wiki
 
*Discworld Mud Encyclopaedia
 
*Or something
 
  
:My vote is for 'Discworld MUD Wiki' (optionally with the 'unofficial' attached--but I think shorter is better, but not too short). -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 01:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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See also the [[Status]] page for a place to discuss issues.
::Then I guess 'Cut Me Own Throat Dibbler's Entirely Unauthorised Discworld MUD Wiki (With a Thousand Elephants)' wouldn't do?  :/ [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 11:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::CMOTDEUDMW (WATE)? Works for me. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] 16:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::DWiki for short? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 02:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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==Article naming conventions==
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 12:50, 20 September 2020 (EDT)
  
Why do articles like [[Warriors Guild|the guild ones]] have both words captialised? It makes linking them from other articles quite inconvenient as you either have to include the capitals on the article or use one of those links where the text you click isn't actually the article you go to. Could we use the Wikipedia standard, where article names are only capitalised like that if they're proper nouns (eg. names of TV shows)? [[User:Tiggum|Tiggum]] 05:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Alternative login: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242 ==
: I think it's a bit of an accident. The guilds themselves are generally the 'X' Guild' (note apostrophe and capital), *or* they're the Guild of Xs. I'd like to call them just 'Xs' (they're far more like classes than guilds now, particularly with specialisations). -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 10:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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:It's because that's how they're worded in the game. If you finger a Thief, you will see it says "Member of the X of the Thieves' Guild". You can add redirects, like "[[thieves guild]]", "[[Thieves guild]]" and similar if you want, or just learn to link them correctly. --[[User:Aell|Aell]] 20:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Guilds -> Game systems ==
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Note for 18 Sep 2020 by QingFeng: The usual path to the MUD discworld.starturtle.net port 4242 is down! There is an alternative path to the mud: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242. This is not a temporary copy of the MUD, it is another path to the actual MUD.
  
I see "Guilds" as a subset of "Game Systems" with 6 sections, each section having <number of specialisation> subsections. Guilds may even be worth a page of it's own. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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(One) Wodan wisps: and this is NOT a temp mud, but the real thing, in case anyone wasn't clear on that yet
  
:OK, I created a Guilds page under Game Systems, it contains everything from the current guilds section plus links back to the guild pages on atuin (rather vthan duplicating content that's already public on atuin). Suggestion now is to delete the guilds section on the main page. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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==Adding users to the wiki==
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Administrators for this wiki can create new accounts if anyone playing on the mud wants one. The only criteria right now is that they must have an account on Discworld mud. The account name should match one of their mud account name or be a recognizable variation of it. Accounts of past players are kept to know who modified what even if they are deleted from the mud.
  
::follow up - commented the guilds section out so it can be reverted if needed without losing the merge of guides and advice / useful info, but guilds is now a game system with a link to it's own page [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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Players should contact through the mud someone from [{{fullurl:Special:ListUsers|group=sysop}} this list] who has been active on the mud recently asking for an account to be made for them.
  
==Pretty tables and short URLs==
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The procedure for wiki administrators is:
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#Go to [[Special:CreateAccount]], when logged in.
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#With email
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##Enter a username and an email address, and click the "by email" button.
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##The account will be created with a random password which is then emailed to the given address (as with the "forgot password" feature). The user will be requested to change password at first login; when they do, their e-mail address will also be marked as confirmed.
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#Without email
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##Without an email the administrator enters the requested password or makes a random one.
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##They then send the password to the user by mudmail telling them to login and change their password to something else.
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#If anything fails, post a message to [[User_talk:Frazyl]] or send a mudmail to Frazyl.
  
I propose that CSS to prettify tables be be added to /skins/common/shared.css (the CSS file shared by all themes) by ye olde wikimaster.  It's how basic tables on Wikipedia appear, it matches Monobook well and it doesn't clash awfully with other themes.  To use, simply use this to open your table in the Wiki markup:
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
<pre>
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{| class="wikitable"
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</pre>
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And the CSS:
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<pre>
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/* wikitable classes for skinning normal tables */
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table.wikitable {
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    margin: 1em 1em 1em 0;
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    background: #f9f9f9;
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    border: 1px #aaa solid;
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    border-collapse: collapse;
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empty-cells: show;
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}
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.wikitable th, .wikitable td {
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    border: 1px #aaa solid;
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    padding: 0.2em;
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vertical-align: top;
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text-align: left;
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}
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.wikitable th {
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    background: #f2f2f2;
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    text-align: center;
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}
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.wikitable caption {
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    font-weight: bold;
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}
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</pre>
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Additionally, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL, pretty please! ;)
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==Clubs pages==
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Also asked by Emily for other mudders is to have pages for clubs. This is fine, you can create pages for your club as a subpage like [[Club/Charm Chasers]].
  
-[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 23:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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The club pages will be listed automagically in the [[Club]] page.
:I like to see both these implemented [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 13:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Both of these things have now been done, and also I have enabled the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions String Functions Extension] so as to support things like the Achievements template.
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:::Excellent! Everything's much nicer now, cheers Drakkos! [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 15:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Notable players ==
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 16:39, 9 November 2018 (EST)
  
Me and Aell seem to agree that the [[Notable players]] page is rather pointless, anyone can put whatever crap they like there. Delete? [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 18:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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==Todo==
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*Update to latest MediaWiki.
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*Move quests to individual pages in quests namespace (to prevent showing up in default search) with warning at the beginning and include them all in existing pages. This makes it easier to read the whole quest if you want to or to edit it, it still shows the pages with hidden text like now for those who prefer that, and it allows linking quests in several lists.
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*Think of a way to allow people to create accounts themselves by checking that they have accounts on the mud, copy/pasting something from the mud or something like that.
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*Document everything on the mud. {{Research}}
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
  
:Agree [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 22:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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== TM wiki gone ==
  
:Yeah, this section has no place here. The only valuable information (for example, Lanfear's teaching location) is negated by an overwhelming amount of personal insults and fluffing. [[User:Cyst|Cyst]] 11:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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As Aphaea noticed, the [http://tmwiki.firstserved.net/ TM wiki] is gone, but archive.org still has several snapshots, [http://web.archive.org/web/20120818122620/http://tmwiki.firstserved.net/index.php/The_TM_Project this is the latest one]. Aphaea has started copying data across, I was just wondering: Would it be better to have the TM stuff on the skills' research pages? --[[User:Gunde|Gunde]] 16:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
  
Deleted and protected! [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 13:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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I think it's fine either way. I'd prefer if all the bonus ranges were on the same page because it means less clicking. The way Aphaea is doing seems fine to me, especially since there's links to other skills to help navigation. --[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 17:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
  
== ParserFunctions and Cite ==
 
  
More feature requests. :)  The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite Cite] extensions both look very handy.  ParserFunctions is similar to StringFunctions (#switch please!).  Cite is a footnotes extension.  FOOTNOTES.  Buahahah.
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Working on creating a house format for the TMs section being added to all the skills pages.
  
-[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 01:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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So far removing all anomalies at the start of fields and capitalzing them however I will be aiming to have the 'action taken' field in a set format rather than it is now, before i work out how this will be i would like peoples input (If this page is still used --[[User:Ascdren|Ascdren]] 13:27 30 march 2013 (UTC)
  
:Seconded :)  ParserFunctions in particular will let us do Navbox templates, and improve a lot of the infoboxes which are floating around.  There are also several stub-ish articles lying around at the moment which appear to be using conditional syntax - as we don't have ParserFunctions installed, these are leaking out their code onto the pages in a fairly horrific-looking way... --[[User:Chat|Chat]] 22:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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==Archiving==
:: Thirded -- these things look really useful for templating. --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t)]] 11:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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To archive the {{PAGENAME}}:
 
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*Create a new archive page called 'Talk:{{PAGENAME}}''/Archive X', where X is the number after the last archive page listed on top of this page.
 
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*Move any sections which have been solved or that are old and not useful anymore to this new page.  
==Research Namespace==
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*Put the {{tl|talkarchive}} template at the top of the archive page.
Would standardising on a Research namespace be a good idea? (E.g. [[Research:Transcendant Pneumatic Alleviator]] would contain research on TPA.) The wikimagic required for such a thing is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces here] - by adding it to a separate namespace I think you can do magical things later like adding a Research tab to the top of pages that goes to the related research page, like a Talk page. Or, er, we could just use the talk pages, I guess. Opinions? --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t)]] 12:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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*Update the {{tl|archives}} template (increase numarchives by one) at the top of this page.
 
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] ([[User talk:Frazyl|talk]]) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)
: I think that's a great idea - especially if we can get a research tab out of it.  Makes it easier for those unfamiliar with wikis to come along and add something useful, as they've got a nice friendly looking research tab to direct them.  Also keeps research separate from article discussions in which it might otherwise be buried. --[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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:: Perfect solution. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 07:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Quoting text from the MUD ==
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<pre>Have you ever pasted a long line of text from the MUD into your nice, pretty article using <pre>, and found to your horror that it does not word wrap nicely, but instead runs off the end of the page and creates an ugly horizontal scrollbar that looks rather like this?</pre>
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<pre>Perhaps you have tried to impose your own line wrapping on the
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errant lines created by <pre>, which at least looks somewhat
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better, but is probably only going to work with browsers of at
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least a given line width (and leaves a fair amount of odd-looking
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blank white space to the right of your section in browsers with
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plenty of width).</pre>
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{{prebox | Well fear ye not, for this is the almighty prebox!  The prebox looks very similar to <nowiki><pre></nowiki>, but this time it does wrap nicely at the edge of your screen.  Try resizing your browser window, and observe its un-pre-like pleasantness!
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Be thou aware, however, that the prebox is not without its quibbles.  For one, it will convert      many    spaces into one, so lookmaps will be uglified by it.
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Also note ye well that it rather randomly feasts on newlines that seperateth not paragraphs.
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A well inserted <nowiki><br></nowiki> will, however, deal with that.<br>
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Like this.
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Last, but not least, you may need to use <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> if for some bizarre reason the MUD text you are quoting contains wiki markup.}}
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 22:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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:Oh thank goodness. :O *makes a note*  --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 23:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
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:Ah wait, I see, so it's not existing wiki formatting.  *steals the template!*
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:PS: What an incredibly elegant solution to ugly, ugly formatting issues (especially for people like me who like having the browser window at less than full width). :D Brilliant and thank you. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 00:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Hanging Links ==
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Should we insert hanging links to non existent internal pages on the basis that they should exist, or should we not insert such hanging links but instead wait until the page is actually created? I really hate seeing wikis with lots of red "page doesn't exist yet" links, it looks really sloppy to me. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 06:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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:I'm a big fan of them!  I think, rather than giving a '90s-style 'under construction' image, it encourages the creation of new pages and gives some direction, particularly to potential contributors without a firm idea of what they'd like to contribute.  -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 07:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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:I'm all in favor of them, for three reasons.  First, it's a "hey, we should have this page, maybe you could write it!" sign.  Check out [[Special:WantedPages]]--someone looking for something to do could go through and look for ideas for pages to create.  Second, if it's likely that the page will be created in the future, it's a lot easier to just make links ahead of time as you go along than it is to go through later looking for all the places there should be a link there.  So, it creates infrastructure ahead of time.  Third, and I admit this is rather specialized--in some cases it's very useful to see what ''links'' to a page, even if the page does not exist.  For instance, going to the nonexistant [[Bash]] page and clicking on "What links here" on the sidebar will give you--more or less--a list of pages for weapons that you can bash with.  Ditto for skills; even if the page for a skill doesn't exist, the "What links here" thing will give you an idea of what the skill is used in (on the priest wiki I just make every page for a skill into a redirect for its own "What links here" page, but that seems like it wouldn't work well here, since many skills already have pages.  Maybe a link to the what-links-here page would be a good thing, though... hm (I'm thinking people new to the wiki may not notice the link in the sidebar, realize that's what it does (for the longest time on the priest wiki I thought it was trackbacks for the wiki itself and ignored it), or realize what it's useful for)). --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 09:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Quests ==
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We could add skill / bonus / additional location information for quest pages, but would this be a bad thing? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 12:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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: I'm in favour of it. Some of the info on the official page is sadly lacking in specifics, which is often the very thing I'm turning to it for. [[User:Tiggum|Tiggum]] 05:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Skills ==
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What's going on with this stuff?
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{{Ma.Me.Ph.Ev}}
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[[Transcendent_Pneumatic_Alleviator#Skills | Where I found that thing]].  I'm reluctant to just change it to straight links wherever I see it, because I'm not really sure what it's supposed to be doing.  But I think something went horribly wrong with it, somewhere.  --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 20:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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:I assume it was some grand plan to create links to skills which would then reside in their own skills namespace?  Personally, I think that would be overkill.  The random code after the boxes must have been speculatively added against the day that the ParserFunctions library would be installed.
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:Generally speaking, I've been removing these as I go along and replacing them with just plain links to skills (eg. [[magic.spells.offensive]]), as:
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:*(Primarily) The code leaking out looks pretty bad, and it can always be added back in later if/as/when ParserFunctions is installed.
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:*(Secondarily) I hate to say this, as someone clearly put time/effort into it, but the colours and boxes just look wrong in an article - they clash with the conventional formatting and make the skill unnecessarily stand out.
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:As an aside, I encountered some naming issues when building articles with skills in:
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:*We don't want to use their common abbreviations (eg. 'ma.sp.of') as:
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:**Not everyone uses the same abbreviations (eg. 'ma.sp.off').
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:**There are some that are ambiguous (eg. the much cursed 'ma.me.me.ch' is either charming or channeling), and we probably want to create disambiguation pages for those.
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:**The article title looks a little unprofessional.
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:*However, these are both the sort of things that people will enter into the search box.
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:So far, I've been creating them with their full name, and at some point in the future I plan to add in the common abbreviations as redirects or disambiguations as required.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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::It may be worth later creating something similar but less stylised, to create skill statements that look something like:<nowiki>[[Magic_(skill)|magic]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods|methods]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods.Mental|mental]].[[Magic_skill(skill)#Methods.Mental.Charming|charming]]</nowiki> (which comes out as: [[Magic_(skill)|magic]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods|methods]].[[Magic_(skill)#Methods.Mental|mental]].[[Magic_skill(skill)#Methods.Mental.Charming|charming]]) or just <nowiki>[[Magic_(skill)#Methods.Mental.Charming|magic.methods.mental.charming]]</nowiki>. Either way, if we use them as templates now instead of ordinary links, it becomes much easier to change later. --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t)]] 22:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::That's true. Though personally I think it's nicer to just link the whole thing directly to the full skill (since if you link to every level it's easy to misread the whole thing as one link and click the wrong part--and how often do you care about a category skill, i.e. magic.methods, anyway?) and have the leaf skills in ''categories''.  So faith would be a category containing faith.rituals, faith.items, and faith.points; faith.rituals would be a subcategory containing faith.rituals.offensive, and so on.  Not that templates would interfere with that, of course. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 03:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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==Wiki Enhancements==
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Hola!
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So, I have installed ParserFunctions and Cite, and after a bit of a struggle to get custom tabs to display, there's also a 'research' tab on each page now.  That one is something I'm a little unsure about, but I gave it a bit of a try and it all seems to work, but please make a note of anything that goes screwy with it.  Thanks guys, you're doing a great job in filling this up.  :-D
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[[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 11:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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:Thanks Drakkos! - the new Research stuff is great, and I'm about to try out ParserFunctions :)  The only thing I've spotted off so far is that the link back to the article tab from the research tab points to the talk page instead, but otherwise it seems to Just Work.
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:--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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::Whoops, careless me!  That should be fixed now.  I am looking forward to seeing these new tabs filled up with juicy information!  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 19:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Irrelevant Trash ==
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I've reverted some imo irrelevant comments above the logo in bold red by Rar relating to mud stability. I don't think the masthead of this page is the place to be soapboxing such issues. Perhaps Rar might like to create a separate "Stability Issues" page if he feels strongly about it. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 21:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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:How's this version with a more subtle and tidy header? --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Beale|c)]] 21:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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:: How long will we keep the banner in place? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 18:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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::: I guess it can probably go now. The article's still there if people want information. --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Beale|c)]] 22:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Red text ==
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Red text does not make things more obvious.  Red text does not say HELLO THIS IS IMPORTANT.  Red text is ugly.  Red text is hard to read.  Red text is bad.  Large banners at the tops of pages, however, are useful, and convey information appropriately.  So, please, no red text, and no red text revert wars! -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 08:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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:I agree.  The banner is already obvious without it. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 08:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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:And everyone who comes here is more than likely to know about it already. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 17:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Invalid title in result set; ==
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It's #5 on [[Special:WantedPages]].  What is it, and how can it be fixed when we can't see which pages are trying to link to... something? --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 06:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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:Apparently this happens with anchor links: [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17713] --[[User:Beale|B]] [[User talk:Beale|(t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Beale|c)]] 19:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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::How weird.  I guess it's not in need of fixing, then. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 19:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Is teaching a game system? ==
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As it's one of the most common IC interactions (alongside pk, p-shops, grouping) should it be added as a game system? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 09:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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:I don't see why not. --[[User:Ilde|Ilde]] 02:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Collapsing the main page ==
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As things steadily get added to the main page, we might want to start collapsing it down to reduce clutter.  In particular, I suggest that the 'game areas' and 'game systems' sections are going to get unwieldy quite soon.
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I suggest that 'game areas' can be collapsed into [[:Category:Locations]], and most of 'game systems' can be collapsed into [[:Category:Concepts]].  Does anyone have any views on:
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*Whether this is a good idea
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*At what point we should start collapsing things
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*Which things in general should/should not get collapsed?
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--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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: See structure above ;) [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 17:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Anonymous users and spam ==
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Should we consider disabling anonymous editing to reduce spam? Do we feel that anyone is likely to particularly want to make anonymous contributions? Personally, I'd like it because it would stop me making edits while logged out, but it would also mean much less despamifying. A CAPTCHA extension may also be useful, but there are valid points against it.  See also [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam Mediawiki manual: combating spam]. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 07:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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:Proactive or Reactive? Unless it becomes a real problem, I think it's better to react to it case by case. If it becomes a major issue then is the time to consider proactive solutions. As far as I know we've only had one instance? [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 10:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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:: Rather a few more than one, and I'm a big fan of proactive. ;) See [[Special:Log/block]] for a list of IPs we've blocked (most are spammers, and some committed multiple instances of spamming). It also seems to be getting worse.  I've blocked eight IPs today, not that doing that helps.  I'm currently protecting (making user-editable only) pages after a few attacks, as once the bots start on a page, they won't stop. [[Special:RecentChanges]] seems to be filling up with spam and spam fixing. -[[User:Taepha|Taepha]] 10:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::ns and whois lookups suggest that these may be botnets. Whether knowing this helps or not I don't know. [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 11:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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::Yesterday I would have agreed with a reactive stance; today we got a whole bunch of spam dumped on us.  I had thought that the spam bots were naively targetting direct links from the main page (makes sense - they have less computational work to do that way), in which case simply protecting all links from the main page would have worked nicely.  Unfortunately, today's aren't following that pattern.  
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::For now, I've pre-emptively protected the main page - it's a very obvious spammer target, and I'm slightly surprised it hasn't been hit already.
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::To that end, I think it's possible to use captcha without being heavy-handed about it - one of the common wiki captcha options is to require it for edits made from non-confirmed accounts which are attempting to insert links to 'unrecognized external sites'.  This would have blocked all the spam we've had so far, with a pretty minimal effect on legitimate edits (especially if 'discworld.atuin.net' is a 'recognized external site'), so would be pretty much ideal.  That would get my vote.
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::--[[User:Chat|Chat]] 17:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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::: Happy to agree, although do I even have a vote anyway :) [[User:Zexium|Zexium]] 17:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::A low level captcha would be a good approach. We will have to make some sacrifices which may discourage random editing, but that's unavoidable if we want to stop the spam. We could add a limited protection and if that doesn't stop the majority of the vandalism we could step up to a higher level. Using captcha on adding external links would not solve every problem though, as there seems to be a lot of gibberish vandalism. [[User:Rehevkor|Rehevkor]] <big>[[User talk:Rehevkor|<FONT COLOR="black">✉</FONT>]]</big> 19:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 12:52, 20 September 2020

Filing cabinet.gif Old content for this page has been archived, and can be found at the following locations.
Main Page/Archive 1Main Page/Archive 2Main Page/Archive 3
Main Page/Archive 4Main Page/Archive 5Main Page/Archive 6

Important message, outages, announcements, etc

If the mud is down or you need to announce some big thing happening or there's a bug that does something super bad or similar please:

  1. Go copy a message you like from Editing Sitenotice
  2. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and paste and edit the message for this specific use. Save.
  3. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice id and increase the number by 1. Save.

This can only be done by users with the editinterface permission. These users have access.

After the notice has served its use:

  1. Go to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and clear everything so it doesn't leave a ghost dismiss link.
  2. (Optional) Copy your super cool new message that might be reused in Editing Sitenotice.


If you cannot modify that page, then edit Sitenotice with the message you would like to be displayer on all wiki pages.

  • This is not currently going to update the banner. This will have to be done manually. But it should be noticed and someone will (probably) modify MediaWiki:Sitenotice or offer feedback.


See also the Status page for a place to discuss issues.

--Frazyl (talk) 12:50, 20 September 2020 (EDT)

Alternative login: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242

Note for 18 Sep 2020 by QingFeng: The usual path to the MUD discworld.starturtle.net port 4242 is down! There is an alternative path to the mud: disctemp.starturtle.net port 23 or 4242. This is not a temporary copy of the MUD, it is another path to the actual MUD.

(One) Wodan wisps: and this is NOT a temp mud, but the real thing, in case anyone wasn't clear on that yet

Adding users to the wiki

Administrators for this wiki can create new accounts if anyone playing on the mud wants one. The only criteria right now is that they must have an account on Discworld mud. The account name should match one of their mud account name or be a recognizable variation of it. Accounts of past players are kept to know who modified what even if they are deleted from the mud.

Players should contact through the mud someone from this list who has been active on the mud recently asking for an account to be made for them.

The procedure for wiki administrators is:

  1. Go to Special:CreateAccount, when logged in.
  2. With email
    1. Enter a username and an email address, and click the "by email" button.
    2. The account will be created with a random password which is then emailed to the given address (as with the "forgot password" feature). The user will be requested to change password at first login; when they do, their e-mail address will also be marked as confirmed.
  3. Without email
    1. Without an email the administrator enters the requested password or makes a random one.
    2. They then send the password to the user by mudmail telling them to login and change their password to something else.
  4. If anything fails, post a message to User_talk:Frazyl or send a mudmail to Frazyl.

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)

Clubs pages

Also asked by Emily for other mudders is to have pages for clubs. This is fine, you can create pages for your club as a subpage like Club/Charm Chasers.

The club pages will be listed automagically in the Club page.

--Frazyl (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Todo

  • Update to latest MediaWiki.
  • Move quests to individual pages in quests namespace (to prevent showing up in default search) with warning at the beginning and include them all in existing pages. This makes it easier to read the whole quest if you want to or to edit it, it still shows the pages with hidden text like now for those who prefer that, and it allows linking quests in several lists.
  • Think of a way to allow people to create accounts themselves by checking that they have accounts on the mud, copy/pasting something from the mud or something like that.
  • Document everything on the mud. research

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)

TM wiki gone

As Aphaea noticed, the TM wiki is gone, but archive.org still has several snapshots, this is the latest one. Aphaea has started copying data across, I was just wondering: Would it be better to have the TM stuff on the skills' research pages? --Gunde 16:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine either way. I'd prefer if all the bonus ranges were on the same page because it means less clicking. The way Aphaea is doing seems fine to me, especially since there's links to other skills to help navigation. --Frazyl 17:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


Working on creating a house format for the TMs section being added to all the skills pages.

So far removing all anomalies at the start of fields and capitalzing them however I will be aiming to have the 'action taken' field in a set format rather than it is now, before i work out how this will be i would like peoples input (If this page is still used --Ascdren 13:27 30 march 2013 (UTC)

Archiving

To archive the Main Page:

  • Create a new archive page called 'Talk:Main Page/Archive X', where X is the number after the last archive page listed on top of this page.
  • Move any sections which have been solved or that are old and not useful anymore to this new page.
  • Put the {{talkarchive}} template at the top of the archive page.
  • Update the {{archives}} template (increase numarchives by one) at the top of this page.

--Frazyl (talk) 02:08, 23 December 2016 (EST)