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As expected for such low size it doesn't make any thaum when cast.
 
As expected for such low size it doesn't make any thaum when cast.
  
Holding a charged Klein bottles to get int bonuses allows you to increase your head space too which can be handy.
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Holding a charged Klein bottles to get int bonuses allows you to increase your head space which can be handy.
  
 
--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 06:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 06:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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Then I made a two easy stages trick.
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<pre>
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sb
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c Testing Two Easy
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 260462  Burden: 30%
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Queued command: c Testing Two Easy
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You prepare to cast Testing Two Easy.
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stop
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sb
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Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
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Queued command: sb
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You hastily release the spell.
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 371(423)  Xp: 261371  Burden: 30%
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tha
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You read the thaumometer:
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The background magic level in this area appears to be normal.
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c Testing Two Easy
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stop
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tha
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You prepare to cast Testing Two Easy.
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Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
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Queued command: tha
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You hastily release the spell.
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You read the thaumometer:
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The background magic level in this area appears to be normal.
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c Testing Two Easy
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stop
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sb
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You prepare to cast Testing Two Easy.
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Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
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Queued command: sb
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You hastily release the spell.
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 367(423)  Xp: 264245  Burden: 30%
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</pre>
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Gp used was 423 - 371 + 8 = 60 or on the second run 423 - 367 + 4 = 60. This seems to suggest that there is a base cost of 20 gp plus 20 gp per easy stage.
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A total of 4 of mind space works after verification.
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It didn't produce any thaums, so it must be doing floor(4 / 5) = 0.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 07:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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Then I made a three easy stages trick.
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<pre>
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sb
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c Testing Three Easy
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 283390  Burden: 30%
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Queued command: c Testing Three Easy
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You prepare to cast Testing Three Easy.
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stop
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sb
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Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
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 +
Queued command: sb
 +
 +
You hastily release the spell.
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 351(423)  Xp: 284599  Burden: 30%
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c Testing Three Easy
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stop
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tha
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You prepare to cast Testing Three Easy.
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 +
Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
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Queued command: tha
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 +
You hastily release the spell.
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You read the thaumometer:
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The background magic level appears to be one thaum above normal.
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</pre>
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Gp used was 423 - 351 + 8 = 80. So 20 gp + 20 x 3 stages = 80 works.
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A total of 6 of mind space works after verification.
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It produced a thaum, which works with floor(6 / 5) = 1.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 08:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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Then I made a one average stage trick.
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<pre>
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sb
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c Testing Average
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 293697  Burden: 30%
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Queued command: c Testing Average
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stop
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sb
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You prepare to cast Testing Average.
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Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
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Queued command: sb
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You hastily release the spell.
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 387(423)  Xp: 294303  Burden: 30%
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c Testing Average
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stop
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tha
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You prepare to cast Testing Average.
 +
 +
Removed queue.
 +
You are not fighting anyone.
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Okay.
 +
 +
Queued command: tha
 +
 +
You hastily release the spell.
 +
You read the thaumometer:
 +
The background magic level appears to be one thaum above normal.
 +
</pre>
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Gp used was 423 - 387 + 4 = 40 gp.
 +
 +
A total of 6 of mind space works after verification.
 +
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 08:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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Then I made a one difficult stage trick.
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<pre>
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sb
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c Testing Difficult
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Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 305614  Burden: 30%
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Queued command: c Testing Difficult
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You prepare to cast Testing Difficult.
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stop
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sb
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Removed queue.
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You are not fighting anyone.
 +
Okay.
 +
 +
Queued command: sb
 +
 +
You hastily release the spell.
 +
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 387(423)  Xp: 306220  Burden: 30%
 +
 +
c Testing Difficult
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stop
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tha
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You prepare to cast Testing Difficult.
 +
 +
Removed queue.
 +
You are not fighting anyone.
 +
Okay.
 +
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Queued command: tha
 +
 +
You hastily release the spell.
 +
You read the thaumometer:
 +
The background magic level appears to be two thaums above normal.
 +
</pre>
 +
Gp used was 423 - 387 + 4 = 40 gp.
 +
 +
A total of 12 of mind space works after verification.
 +
 +
It produced 2 thaums, which works with floor(12 / 5) = 2.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 09:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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Then I made a one impossible stage trick.
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<pre>
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sb
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c Testing Impossible
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Queued command: sb
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Queued command: c Testing Impossible
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 +
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 314488  Burden: 30%
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You prepare to cast Testing Impossible.
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stop
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sb
 +
Removed queue.
 +
You are not fighting anyone.
 +
Okay.
 +
 +
Queued command: sb
 +
 +
You hastily release the spell.
 +
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 387(423)  Xp: 314716  Burden: 30%
 +
 +
c Testing Impossible
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stop
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tha
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You prepare to cast Testing Impossible.
 +
 +
Removed queue.
 +
You are not fighting anyone.
 +
Okay.
 +
 +
Queued command: tha
 +
 +
You hastily release the spell.
 +
You read the thaumometer:
 +
The background magic level appears to be three thaums above normal.
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</pre>
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Gp used was 423 - 387 + 4 = 40 gp.
 +
 +
A total of 16 of mind space works after verification.
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It produced 3 thaums, which works with floor(16 / 5) = 3.
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--[[User:Frazyl|Frazyl]] 09:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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==Skill checks for setting a trick in stone==
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*There are 2 skills confirmed by mock to be used in this stage: convoking and talisman
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*By lowering my wis, I was able to lower talisman without lowering convoking, and was able to fail with 150 bonus, and succeed with 191 bonus.
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*The failure message for this check was: The large round stone shudders alarmingly.
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Another witch, Suyin, failed with convoking.....  50  195 and talisman........  100  202, getting the message: The large round stone slips out of your mental grasp.
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I mocked her to talisman........  100  250, still getting the same message, and mocked again, getting convoking.....  50  225, still failing.
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More science is required to draw conclusions.
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[[User:Kartoffel|Kartoffel]] ([[User talk:Kartoffel|talk]]) 01:10, 4 March 2019 (EST)

Latest revision as of 02:11, 4 March 2019

Convoking bonus vs. number of stages

What's meant by "maximum" here is that trying to convince the trick it has more stages than the maximum will result in this message:

Sometrick tells you: I don't know about me, dear, but you surely can't handle all that.

This does not use any gp, unlike a normal failure.

(Only the "convince <trick> it has <number> stages" step was tested.)

With convoking bonus of:

  • 101: maximum of 3 stages
  • 134: maximum of 3 stages--may not be able to actually attain 3, but can attain 2 easily
  • 151: maximum of 3 stages--may not be able to actually attain 3, but can attain 2 easily
  • 184: maximum of 3 stages, and can attain 3 easily
  • 202: maximum of 3 stages
  • 215: maximum of 3 stages

Trick info per stage

I made a simple one easy stage trick.

sb
c Testing Easy
Queued command: sb

Queued command: c Testing Easy

Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 415(415)  Xp: 228963  Burden: 29%
stop
sb
You prepare to cast Testing Easy.
Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 379(415)  Xp: 229569  Burden: 29%

[...]

c Testing Easy
stop
tha
You prepare to cast Testing Easy.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: tha

You hastily release the spell.
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level in this area appears to be normal.

Gp used was 37 + 4 = 40.

Through lots adding/removing of other spells and squints (takes 4 head space) I obtained a size for 1 easy stage of 2.

As expected for such low size it doesn't make any thaum when cast.

Holding a charged Klein bottles to get int bonuses allows you to increase your head space which can be handy.

--Frazyl 06:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Then I made a two easy stages trick.

sb
c Testing Two Easy
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 260462  Burden: 30%

Queued command: c Testing Two Easy

You prepare to cast Testing Two Easy.
stop
sb
Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 371(423)  Xp: 261371  Burden: 30%
tha
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level in this area appears to be normal.

c Testing Two Easy
stop
tha
You prepare to cast Testing Two Easy.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: tha

You hastily release the spell.
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level in this area appears to be normal.

c Testing Two Easy
stop
sb
You prepare to cast Testing Two Easy.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 367(423)  Xp: 264245  Burden: 30%

Gp used was 423 - 371 + 8 = 60 or on the second run 423 - 367 + 4 = 60. This seems to suggest that there is a base cost of 20 gp plus 20 gp per easy stage.

A total of 4 of mind space works after verification.

It didn't produce any thaums, so it must be doing floor(4 / 5) = 0.

--Frazyl 07:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Then I made a three easy stages trick.

sb
c Testing Three Easy
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 283390  Burden: 30%

Queued command: c Testing Three Easy

You prepare to cast Testing Three Easy.
stop
sb
Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 351(423)  Xp: 284599  Burden: 30%

c Testing Three Easy
stop
tha
You prepare to cast Testing Three Easy.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: tha

You hastily release the spell.
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level appears to be one thaum above normal.

Gp used was 423 - 351 + 8 = 80. So 20 gp + 20 x 3 stages = 80 works.

A total of 6 of mind space works after verification.

It produced a thaum, which works with floor(6 / 5) = 1.

--Frazyl 08:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Then I made a one average stage trick.

sb
c Testing Average
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 293697  Burden: 30%

Queued command: c Testing Average
stop
sb
You prepare to cast Testing Average.
Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 387(423)  Xp: 294303  Burden: 30%

c Testing Average
stop
tha
You prepare to cast Testing Average.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: tha

You hastily release the spell.
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level appears to be one thaum above normal.

Gp used was 423 - 387 + 4 = 40 gp.

A total of 6 of mind space works after verification.

--Frazyl 08:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Then I made a one difficult stage trick.

sb
c Testing Difficult
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 305614  Burden: 30%

Queued command: c Testing Difficult

You prepare to cast Testing Difficult.
stop
sb
Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 387(423)  Xp: 306220  Burden: 30%

c Testing Difficult
stop
tha
You prepare to cast Testing Difficult.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: tha

You hastily release the spell.
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level appears to be two thaums above normal.

Gp used was 423 - 387 + 4 = 40 gp.

A total of 12 of mind space works after verification.

It produced 2 thaums, which works with floor(12 / 5) = 2.

--Frazyl 09:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Then I made a one impossible stage trick.

sb
c Testing Impossible
Queued command: sb

Queued command: c Testing Impossible

Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 423(423)  Xp: 314488  Burden: 30%
You prepare to cast Testing Impossible.
stop
sb
Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: sb

You hastily release the spell.
Hp: 2258(2258)  Gp: 387(423)  Xp: 314716  Burden: 30%

c Testing Impossible
stop
tha
You prepare to cast Testing Impossible.

Removed queue.
You are not fighting anyone.
Okay.

Queued command: tha

You hastily release the spell.
You read the thaumometer:
The background magic level appears to be three thaums above normal.

Gp used was 423 - 387 + 4 = 40 gp.

A total of 16 of mind space works after verification.

It produced 3 thaums, which works with floor(16 / 5) = 3.

--Frazyl 09:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Skill checks for setting a trick in stone

  • There are 2 skills confirmed by mock to be used in this stage: convoking and talisman
  • By lowering my wis, I was able to lower talisman without lowering convoking, and was able to fail with 150 bonus, and succeed with 191 bonus.
  • The failure message for this check was: The large round stone shudders alarmingly.

Another witch, Suyin, failed with convoking..... 50 195 and talisman........ 100 202, getting the message: The large round stone slips out of your mental grasp.

I mocked her to talisman........ 100 250, still getting the same message, and mocked again, getting convoking..... 50 225, still failing.

More science is required to draw conclusions.

Kartoffel (talk) 01:10, 4 March 2019 (EST)