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==Data==
 
==Data==
  
{|class="wikitable" border=1
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{|class="wikitable sortable" border=1
 
  !ad.ev.we bonus
 
  !ad.ev.we bonus
 
  !fi.me.* bonus
 
  !fi.me.* bonus
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  |-
 
  |-
 
  |319 || 217 || {{jir|aew=319|fm=217}} ||Yes || Yes || No || No || No  
 
  |319 || 217 || {{jir|aew=319|fm=217}} ||Yes || Yes || No || No || No  
 +
|-
 +
|355 || 177 || {{jir|aew=355|fm=177}} ||Yes || Yes || No || No || No
 +
|-
 +
|355 || 181 || {{jir|aew=355|fm=181}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |-
 
  |-
 
  |233 || 403 || {{jir|aew=233|fm=403}} ||Yes || Yes || No || No || No
 
  |233 || 403 || {{jir|aew=233|fm=403}} ||Yes || Yes || No || No || No
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  |-
 
  |-
 
  |320 || 293 || {{jir|aew=320|fm=293}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |320 || 293 || {{jir|aew=320|fm=293}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|389 || 218 || {{jir|aew=389|fm=218}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|392 || 218 || {{jir|aew=392|fm=218}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|320 || 322 || {{jir|aew=320|fm=322}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |-
 
  |-
 
  |286 || 403 || {{jir|aew=286|fm=403}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |286 || 403 || {{jir|aew=286|fm=403}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
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  |-
 
  |-
 
  |236 || 617 || {{jir|aew=236|fm=617}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |236 || 617 || {{jir|aew=236|fm=617}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|365 || 262 || {{jir|aew=365|fm=262}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|365 || 263 || {{jir|aew=365|fm=263}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 +
|-
 +
|361 || 268 || {{jir|aew=361|fm=268}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|361 || 269 || {{jir|aew=361|fm=269}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 +
|-
 +
|355 || 277 || {{jir|aew=355|fm=277}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|355 || 278 || {{jir|aew=355|fm=278}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 
  |-
 
  |-
 
  |294 || 403 || {{jir|aew=294|fm=403}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |294 || 403 || {{jir|aew=294|fm=403}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
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  |-
 
  |-
 
  |224 || 707 || {{jir|aew=224|fm=707}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 
  |224 || 707 || {{jir|aew=224|fm=707}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 +
|-
 +
|417 || 219 || {{jir|aew=417|fm=219}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 
  |-
 
  |-
 
  |240 || 697 || {{jir|aew=240|fm=697}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 
  |240 || 697 || {{jir|aew=240|fm=697}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
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For two weapons of the same type.
 
For two weapons of the same type.
  
{|class="wikitable" border=1
+
{|class="wikitable sortable" border=1
 
  !ad.ev.we bonus
 
  !ad.ev.we bonus
 
  !fi.me.* bonus
 
  !fi.me.* bonus
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  |-
 
  |-
 
  |355 || 471 || {{jir|aew=355|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |355 || 471 || {{jir|aew=355|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|287 || 707 || {{jir|aew=287|fm=707}} || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |-
 
  |-
 
  |357 || 471 || {{jir|aew=357|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |357 || 471 || {{jir|aew=357|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 
  |-
 
  |-
  |287 || 707 || {{jir|aew=287|fm=707}} || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
+
  |365 || 471 || {{jir|aew=365|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|384 || 471 || {{jir|aew=384|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|389 || 471 || {{jir|aew=389|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|392 || 471 || {{jir|aew=392|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|395 || 471 || {{jir|aew=395|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|397 || 471 || {{jir|aew=397|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|399 || 471 || {{jir|aew=397|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|397 || 475 || {{jir|aew=397|fm=475}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|403 || 471 || {{jir|aew=403|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|409 || 471 || {{jir|aew=409|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|412 || 453 || {{jir|aew=412|fm=453}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|412 || 463 || {{jir|aew=412|fm=463}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|412 || 471 || {{jir|aew=412|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || No
 +
|-
 +
|412 || 475 || {{jir|aew=412|fm=475}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
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|-
 +
|417 || 471 || {{jir|aew=417|fm=471}} ||Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes || Yes
 
  |}
 
  |}
  
note: unsure that it compares both max and average damage, or just lumps it together, i get:
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note: unsure that it compares both max and average damage, or just lumps it together, I get:
 
Compared to the sharpened sai, the sharpened sai is harder to attack with, easier to parry with and deals more damage.
 
Compared to the sharpened sai, the sharpened sai is harder to attack with, easier to parry with and deals more damage.
  
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For two weapons of different type.
 
For two weapons of different type.
  
{|class="wikitable" border=1
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{|class="wikitable sortable" border=1
 
  !ad.ev.we bonus
 
  !ad.ev.we bonus
 
  !fi.me.* (1) bonus
 
  !fi.me.* (1) bonus
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  |357 || 463 || 471 || {{jir|aew=357|fm=463}} || Yes || Yes || No || No || No
 
  |357 || 463 || 471 || {{jir|aew=357|fm=463}} || Yes || Yes || No || No || No
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|-
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|412 || 463 || 475 || {{jir|aew=412|fm=463}} || Yes || Yes || No || No || No
 
  |}
 
  |}

Latest revision as of 11:41, 8 September 2011

Observations

These seem to be based on both weapon skill and ad.ev.we bonus (I get different amounts information based on whether I'm judging sword vs. dagger). They also seem to be consistent, in that you'll get the same amount of info for a successful judge on the same weapon type each time, irrespective of the actual weapon in that class.

The above does not hold true for me. My skills are border line, and I find a fine sabre far harder to judge than a hunting sword. Also, the results fluctuate wildly, I can get results ranging from 'quite easy' to 'very easy', seemingly at random.
This section isn't about judge accuracy/difficulty, this is about how much information you're given.

The data points now suggest a complicated relationship; the best fit is

Judge info rating = floor(722 * ((ad.ev.we ^ 0.1) - 1.2) * ((fi.me.x ^ 0.1) - 0.6832))

Putting this into the table gives:

  • You need an info rating of at least 367 to see ease of attack information.
  • You need an info rating of at least 400 to see ease of parry information.
  • You need an info rating of at least 433 to see damage information.
  • You need an info rating of at least 465 to see speed information.

Data

ad.ev.we bonus fi.me.* bonus Judge info rating Can see ease to attack with Can see ease of parrying with Can see maximum damage Can see average damage Can see weapon speed
197 84 313 No No No No No
148 359 361 No No No No No
200 203 366 No No No No No
246 136 366 No No No No No
231 153 366 No No No No No
182 253 367 Yes No No No No
200 206 367 Yes No No No No
231 155 367 Yes No No No No
249 136 368 Yes No No No No
238 167 375 Yes No No No No
221 207 380 Yes No No No No
300 133 389 Yes No No No No
238 207 389 Yes No No No No
231 230 392 Yes No No No No
254 207 397 Yes No No No No
265 194 399 Yes No No No No
257 207 399 Yes No No No No
196 357 399 Yes No No No No
197 355 399 Yes No No No No
171 492 400 Yes Yes No No No
259 207 400 Yes Yes No No No
198 357 400 Yes Yes No No No
204 345 402 Yes Yes No No No
206 345 403 Yes Yes No No No
198 463 417 Yes Yes No No No
183 587 421 Yes Yes No No No
221 403 423 Yes Yes No No No
319 202 425 Yes Yes No No No
222 415 426 Yes Yes No No No
226 403 427 Yes Yes No No No
326 202 428 Yes Yes No No No
307 225 428 Yes Yes No No No
308 225 428 Yes Yes No No No
310 225 429 Yes Yes No No No
229 403 429 Yes Yes No No No
226 415 429 Yes Yes No No No
319 217 430 Yes Yes No No No
355 177 430 Yes Yes No No No
355 181 431 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
233 403 431 Yes Yes No No No
230 415 431 Yes Yes No No No
235 403 432 Yes Yes No No No
250 357 432 Yes Yes No No No
232 415 432 Yes Yes No No No
323 217 432 Yes Yes No No No
339 200 433 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
326 215 433 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
326 217 433 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
236 403 433 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
233 415 433 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
198 587 433 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
253 357 434 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
238 403 434 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
336 209 435 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
243 403 437 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
339 218 439 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
345 218 441 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
348 218 442 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
349 218 443 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
351 218 443 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
254 403 443 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
353 218 444 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
355 218 445 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
357 218 446 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
261 403 447 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
320 293 453 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
389 218 457 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
392 218 458 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
320 322 460 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
286 403 460 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
235 613 462 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
235 615 462 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
236 617 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
365 262 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
365 263 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
361 268 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
361 269 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
355 277 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
355 278 463 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
294 403 464 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
238 617 464 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
295 403 465 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
239 617 465 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
224 707 465 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
417 219 467 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
240 697 474 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

Data for comparing two weapons

For two weapons of the same type.

ad.ev.we bonus fi.me.* bonus Judge info rating Can compare ease of attacking Can compare ease of parrying Can compare maximum damage Can compare average damage Can compare weapon speed
203 357 404 Yes No No No No
219 357 414 Yes No No No No
183 587 421 Yes No No No No
235 345 421 Yes No No No No
242 357 428 Yes No No No No
251 338 429 Yes No No No No
246 357 430 Yes No No No No
253 357 434 Yes No No No No
199 587 434 Yes No No No No
262 357 439 Yes No No No No
273 357 445 Yes No No No No
206 628 444 Yes No No No No
207 631 445 Yes Yes No No No
209 626 446 Yes Yes No No No
217 613 450 Yes Yes No No No
230 607 458 Yes Yes No No No
295 405 465 Yes Yes No No No
319 407 477 Yes Yes No No No
323 407 479 Yes Yes No No No
326 407 479 Yes Yes No No No
240 697 474 Yes Yes No No No
323 451 487 Yes Yes No No No
345 406 488 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
319 464 487 Yes Yes No No No
326 451 488 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
326 454 489 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
326 468 491 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
261 718 490 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
334 471 495 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
336 471 496 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
339 471 497 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
345 471 500 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
348 471 501 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
349 471 502 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
351 471 503 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
353 471 503 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
355 471 504 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
287 707 504 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
357 471 505 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
365 471 509 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
384 471 516 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
389 471 518 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
392 471 519 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
395 471 521 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
397 471 521 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
399 471 521 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
397 475 522 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
403 471 524 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
409 471 526 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
412 453 524 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
412 463 526 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
412 471 527 Yes Yes Yes Yes No
412 475 528 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
417 471 529 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

note: unsure that it compares both max and average damage, or just lumps it together, I get: Compared to the sharpened sai, the sharpened sai is harder to attack with, easier to parry with and deals more damage.

Data for comparing two weapons

For two weapons of different type.

ad.ev.we bonus fi.me.* (1) bonus fi.me.* (2) bonus Judge info rating Can compare ease of attacking Can compare ease of parrying Can compare maximum damage Can compare average damage Can compare weapon speed
216 484 652 451 Yes No No No No
245 478 635 450 Yes No No No No
351 406 471 491 Yes No No No No
348 447 471 497 Yes No No No No
351 447 463 498 Yes No No No No
348 463 471 497 Yes Yes No No No
351 447 471 498 Yes Yes No No No
351 463 471 501 Yes Yes No No No
353 463 471 502 Yes Yes No No No
355 463 471 503 Yes Yes No No No
357 463 471 504 Yes Yes No No No
412 463 475 526 Yes Yes No No No