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:''This page constains research done by myself, Zuroc and others from the time Klein bottles went in game and was imported from Zuroc's wiki. It needs rewriting and reorganizing in coordination with the [[Escaped spells]] page to make it more in line with the other wiki articles.
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<big>{{Fontcolor|red|On April 10, 2011 the Klein bottles were completely changed.}}</big>
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'''Klein bottles''' are multidimensionally twisted containers in which matter cannot enter. You can use them to capture [[escaped spells]].
 
'''Klein bottles''' are multidimensionally twisted containers in which matter cannot enter. You can use them to capture [[escaped spells]].
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==New data==
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Everything needs to be checked again.
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They are still made by George in the same manner.
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When made, a Klein bottle is a magical talisman which needs to be bonded by a witch to the user so they can be held.
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You can then catch energies with the bonded (closed) Klein bottle and a blue funnel.
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Once filled with enough energies they become stat items while held.
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*When filled with 2 spheres (each of 50 headspace) of misc spells, it gives +1 of intelligence while the bottle is held.
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*When filled with 5 spheres (each of 50 headspace) of misc spells, it gives +2 of intelligence while the bottle is held.
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The Klein bottle weighs 4/9 lb.
  
 
==Spell containment==
 
==Spell containment==
To catch [[escaped spells]], you need to hold a (closed) klein bottle and you must be armed with a [[butterfly net]], which is a weapon of type misc.
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To catch [[escaped spells]], you need to hold a (closed) klein bottle and you must be armed with a [[blue funnel]], which is a weapon of type misc.
 
{{main|Escaped_spells#Capturing escaped spells|section}}
 
{{main|Escaped_spells#Capturing escaped spells|section}}
  
You can capture up to 4 escaped spells of the same colour in the same klein bottle.
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You can capture at least 8 spheres of energy of escaped spells in the same Klein bottle.
  
If you open a klein bottle containing escaped spells one will all escape into the room and attack you and the others will dissipate. If there are other escaped spells in the room they will join in the attack.
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It is unknown if you can mix different colours and even if there are different colours.
  
Trying to capture small blue lights from [[Master Woddeley's Luminescent Companion]] does not work.
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It has been hinted that [[Klein bottle]]s filled with energy forms might be used as energy source or component in future spells.
  
It has been hinted that [[klein bottle]]s filled with energy forms will be used as energy source or component in future spells.
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;The following needs retesting.{{research}}
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If you open a klein bottle containing escaped spells one will all escape into the room and attack you and the others will dissipate. If there are other escaped spells in the room they will join in the attack.
  
 
Filled klein bottles used to be a light source but that was removed.
 
Filled klein bottles used to be a light source but that was removed.
  
 
Thrown filled bottles sometimes explode in a fireball but this doesn't seem to deal any damage.
 
Thrown filled bottles sometimes explode in a fireball but this doesn't seem to deal any damage.
 
==Information/Hearsay==
 
* The largest witch spells take 60 of headspace and produce a "substantial sphere of energy". A fi.me.misc bonus of 201 was enough to capture it.
 
* The bottles cost $2.50 and the colour chosen seems to be irrelevant to the final product.
 
* Alas - "A Klein bottle doesn't seem to contain any of the right power for recharging the oak wand."
 
* If you cast FCI on the bottle - "The weave is empty: the Klein bottle isn't an artifact."
 
* Empty bottles have been know to smash when in a sack. (Phials will also break in hessian sacks.
 
* Unlike tea bottles, Klein bottles will not spill their contents when you are engaged in combat.
 
* A bottle broke and its contents dissipated on an attempt to squeeze 5 orbs into it. The first 4 orbs were from a cumulative spell size of 140. This also happened trying to add a ball of energy to 4 other balls, each ball being a defensive spell of size 20.
 
* The Klein bottle weighs 4/9 lb.
 
* The glowing Klein bottle weighs 4/9 lb. (filled with 4 spheres)
 
  
 
==Where to get one==
 
==Where to get one==
* Glassblowers on Cunning Artificers in AM.
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At the glassblower George on Cunning Artificers in [[Ankh-Morpork]] a bit west of Short Street.  
* Raise thaums to about 50-60 then request a bottle.
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The bottles cost $2.50 and the colour chosen seems to be irrelevant to the final product.
You read the thaumometer:
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The background magic level appears to be sixty-three thaums above normal.
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You need to raise the backgroun thaums to about 50-60 before requesting a bottle, which will drain some thaums from the room. If you are a witch or wizard George should give it to you.
> list available colours
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George says to you: Well, at the moment I have the following colours
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The Klein bottle weighs 4/9 lb.
available: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, brown,
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black, turquoise, aquamarine, purple, clear, white, octarine, rainbow,
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If you're not a magic user then ?{{research}}
lilac, crimson, scarlet, ochre, lime, emerald, sapphire, ruby, rose,
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pink, peach, amber, onyx, mauve, cherry, cerise, cyan, lavender, plum,
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umber, cobalt, sienna, olive, translucent, tangerine, jet, clover, ice,
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pearl, emerald, jade, lemon, apricot, ivory, cream, opaque and dark.
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<pre>
 
<pre>
> request bottle made from purple glass
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request bottle made from violet glass
 
You hand some coins to George.
 
You hand some coins to George.
 
George retrieves a glass bulb from the box.
 
George retrieves a glass bulb from the box.
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George gets to work blowing the glass bulb into a bottle.
 
George gets to work blowing the glass bulb into a bottle.
 
George puts the bulb into a metal container.
 
George puts the bulb into a metal container.
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George dips a metal tube into the container.
 
George dips a metal tube into the container.
 
George removes the container from the furnace and allows it to cool a little.
 
George removes the container from the furnace and allows it to cool a little.
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George says: I make and sell all kinds of bottles and other glassware.  Please read the sign for prices.
 
George pulls the tube and the glass bulb from the container, but something doesn't look quite right.
 
George pulls the tube and the glass bulb from the container, but something doesn't look quite right.
 
George holds the tube into the furnace and blows till his cheeks turn red.
 
George holds the tube into the furnace and blows till his cheeks turn red.
 
George forms a big bulbous shape at the end of the tube which distorts the space around it like a fishbowl lens!
 
George forms a big bulbous shape at the end of the tube which distorts the space around it like a fishbowl lens!
George works the tube into a bottle shape, all the while it twists and pulls the fabric of the world into itself!
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George works the tube into the shape of a bottle.  All the while it twists and pulls the fabric of the world into itself!
George waits for the klein bottle to cool.
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George waits for the bottle to cool.
George hands you the transparent klein bottle.
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George exclaims: There you go! Thanks!
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George says: "Funny shape", they say! "Can't put anything in them!"
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George says: I blame magic from the wizard's tent down the road.
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George says: "Funny shape", they say! "Can't put anything in them!"
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George says: Too much background magic, that's it, I reckon.
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George looks at the bottle thoughtfully.
You read the thaumometer:
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George says: It's the magic that does it, messes around with stuff.
The background magic level appears to be eleven thaums above normal.
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George says: But I guess you'd know more about that than me, being one of them witches.
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George asks: It's not exactly what you ordered but maybe you could find a good use for it?
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George exclaims: Nothing wrong with my bottles, despite what they say!
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George says: Anyway, like the sign says, "No Refunds!", so you might as well.
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George exclaims: I'd be very careful with it though, looks extremely fragile!
  
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l bottle
> ex bottle
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This is a mind bendingly paradoxical Klein bottle which has the revolutionary property  
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This is a mind-bendingly paradoxical Klein bottle which has the revolutionary property of not being able
of not being able to hold anything at all, on account of having no volume.  A student  
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to hold anything at all on account of having no volume.  A student discovered the ingeniously intricate shape at
discovered the ingeniously intricate shape at the back of a lecture theatre, as he was  
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the back of a lecture theatre, as he was trying to make a paper giraffe out of thaumic funnel paper.  This one,
trying to make a paper giraffe out of thaumic funnel paper.  This one, however, has been  
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however, has been skilfully blown from glass.
skillfully blown from glass.
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It has the hazy octarine sparkle of a magical talisman.
Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; a substantial red sphere is zipping around
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energetically.
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It produces a warm becon of octarine light.
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It is in excellent condition.
 
It is in excellent condition.
It is closed.
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It is open.
 
</pre>
 
</pre>
 
* If you open the bottle, combat begins again.
 
 
<pre>
 
> appraise net
 
The butterfly net is about two and a half feet long and three inches wide.  It is made of wood and could be used as a weapon of type misc.  It is in very good condition.
 
</pre>
 
 
* The above capture was done with fighting.melee.misc of 20/102.
 
* Two types of sphere do not mix in one bottle:
 
<pre>
 
A substantial sphere of energy is tracing a multicoloured pattern in the air is here.
 
capture sphere in bottle with net
 
The different types of energy don't mix well!
 
Wisps of blue smoke float out of your glowing Klein bottle into the air.
 
</pre>
 
* The Red orb in the bottle vanished and the Multicoloured orb dissipated.
 
 
With 4 spheres/orbs in a bottle:
 
<pre>
 
You attempt to capture the substantial sphere of energy
 
Another energy entity just won't fit!
 
Luckily the universe didn't notice.
 
</pre>
 
 
* The bottles seems to have a maximum of 4 spheres/orbs inside them.
 
  
 
==Opening filled bottles==
 
==Opening filled bottles==
Opening a full klein bottle or attempting to drink from it (which opens the bottle) releases one escaped spell into the room and causes all the escaped spells or tricks in the room to attack you.
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<pre>
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> l bottle
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This is a mind bendingly paradoxical Klein bottle which has the revolutionary property of
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not being able to hold anything at all, on account of having no volume.  A student discovered the
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ingeniously intricate shape at the back of a lecture theatre, as he was trying to make a paper
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giraffe out of thaumic funnel paper.  This one, however, has been skillfully blown from glass.
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Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; two substantial red spheres are zipping around
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energetically.
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Together they produce a bright octarine sparkle.
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It is in excellent condition.
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It is closed.
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> sip bottle
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A substantial sphere of energy escapes from the glowing Klein bottle!
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The remaining energy escapes from your Klein bottle as wisps of blue smoke.
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You open the Klein bottle.
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The Klein bottle is bone dry!
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The substantial sphere of energy moves aggressively towards you!
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</pre>
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==Octarine levels==
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* Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; a substantial red sphere is zipping around energetically. It produces a warm becon of octarine light.
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* Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; a large red orb is zipping around energetically and a substantial red sphere is zipping around energetically. Together they produce a considerable octarine luminescence.
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* Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; two large red orbs are zipping around energetically and a substantial red sphere is zipping around energetically. Together they produce a bright octarine sparkle.
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* Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; a substantial red sphere is zipping around energetically and three large red orbs are zipping around energetically. Together they produce a bright octarine sparkle.
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==Light levels==
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Note: new klein bottles filled with energy seem to not produce any light at all.
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Aquilo's post on the wizard's board implies it will be back at some point.
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When you trap a new ball/orb/sphere of energy in a Klein bottle the light level does not increase instantaneously.
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This might be a bit that's buggy.
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Once the light produced is in sync with it's content, the bright command gives out one of these:
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{|
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|'''Energy inside''' || '''Bottle light level'''|| '''Equivalent light source'''
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|1 ball|| a faint light. || ???
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|-
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|4 balls|| a bit of light. || brightly glowing feather
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|4 spheres|| quite a bit of light. || swarm of fireflies, lit torch
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|}
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For example:
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Not quite inside, but within the glass itself; four moderately sized green balls are zipping around
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energetically.
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Together they produce a considerable octarine luminescence.
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</pre>
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<pre>
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> bright bottle
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The glowing Klein bottle produces a bit of light.
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</pre>
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==Klein bottle throwing==
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Throwing filled klein bottles at your enemies may (or may not) produce a fireball over them.
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Or the energy inside might dissipate or escape and attack you.
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Having a high throw bonus seems to help to get a fireball,
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but there's not enough data gathered to really know for sure.
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The fireball seems to not do any damage at the moment.
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I expect this to change at some point.
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Also notice that the effect precedes the action. This might be a Bug or a Feature.
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You notice Slick Caraga Kray nearby.
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The glowing Klein bottle explodes in a fireball over the sad villager.
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Slick Caraga Kray throws a glowing Klein bottle at the sad villager and hits!
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Slick Caraga Kray moves aggressively towards the sad villager!
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A substantial sphere of energy escapes from the glowing Klein bottle!
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The remaining energy escapes from a glowing Klein bottle as wisps of blue smoke.
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Dire Zuroc The Mystik throws a glowing Klein bottle at the hairy caterpillar and hits!
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Dire Zuroc The Mystik dealt the death blow to the hairy caterpillar.
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The substantial sphere of energy moves aggressively towards Dire Zuroc The Mystik!
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Dire Zuroc The Mystik holds a glowing Klein bottle in his left hand.
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Wisps of blue smoke float out of the old peasant's glowing Klein bottle into the air.
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Dire Zuroc The Mystik throws a glowing Klein bottle at the old peasant and hits!
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</pre>
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==Announcement post on Wizardsguild==
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Note #33 by Aquilo at Fri Aug 18 03:12:58 2006 on board wizardsguild
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Hello!
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I am dusting off some of my projects and have resolved to polish them off and get
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them into the game. They have been languishing in a state of ALMOST completion for
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years now unbelievably.
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Firstly is a redo of escaped energies. You have to trap them in Klein bottles[1]
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with nets[2]. This involves entering combat HOLDING the implements. You must have
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sufficient skill to hit the energy with the net, which will give you a chance of
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wrestling it into a bottle (if you possess suitable magic skill). Becareful! :)
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The bottles do a few cools things. But more interestingly the energy they store
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are required for the coming spells that are awaiting dusting and polishing.
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Once capturing energies is bedded down, I shall move onto the spells.
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Note, especially when I start adding the spells, numbers & difficulties of these
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things might change in order to achieve that which is prophesised in the Good
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Creator Book; Balance(tm).
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I shall leave you to find out the rest! :)
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There might be some bugs or unexpectedness. They were PT'd a couple of years ago
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and some things have changed. So please send feedback (NB please not intricate
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feature requests).
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--
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Aquilo
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The guild coder most of you didn't know you had!
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[1]From a bottle shop but you must raise the background magic level slightly first
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[2]I thought the Disc had every shop imaginable. No butterfly collectors/net shops
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though! To aviod mission creep I decided not to code YET ANOTHER thing which would
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stop me getting things in the game. So they are in a sort of suitable shop.
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Interestingly for some reason, the shop ISN'T on the current AM map at [http://www.atuin.net/~derek/am.gif] :P
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(Other suitable suggestions onna postcard)
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Note #50 by Aquilo at Wed Aug 30 02:24:25 2006 on board wizardsguild
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On Sun Aug 27 00:51:15 2006, Sined wrote:
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> On Sat Aug 26 19:10:49 2006, Zuroc wrote:
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> > The most exciting discovery so far is that they can be made into
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> > permalights, which naturally can be found for sale in Mystikal Magic on
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> > Filigree.
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> I would strongly advise anyone who thinks they can obtain a perm light for
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> $10 worth of components to consider very carefully whether they can really
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> Sined
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Hmm yes I shall have to make the energy (and thus light) decay, possibly over a scale similar to enchantment.
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And look at whether educing should produce energies effectively on demand.
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In the mean time I removed their light.
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--
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Aquilo
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PS Nice wiki!
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Probably nothing good.
(Aquilo edited this message at Wed Aug 30 02:24:25 2006.)
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==See also==
 
==See also==
 
*[[Escaped spells]]
 
*[[Escaped spells]]
  
==External links==
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{{archives|numarchives=1}}
*[http://zuroc.cyberoptic.co.uk/wiki/Klein_bottles Klein bottles on Zuroc's wiki]
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==Obsolete data==
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To see the information about the old Klein bottles see the [[Klein_bottle/Archive_1|Archive]].
  
 
[[Category:Magic]] [[Category:Wizards]] [[Category:Special items]]
 
[[Category:Magic]] [[Category:Wizards]] [[Category:Special items]]

Revision as of 07:24, 11 April 2011

On April 10, 2011 the Klein bottles were completely changed.

Klein bottles are multidimensionally twisted containers in which matter cannot enter. You can use them to capture escaped spells.

New data

Everything needs to be checked again.

They are still made by George in the same manner.

When made, a Klein bottle is a magical talisman which needs to be bonded by a witch to the user so they can be held.

You can then catch energies with the bonded (closed) Klein bottle and a blue funnel.

Once filled with enough energies they become stat items while held.

  • When filled with 2 spheres (each of 50 headspace) of misc spells, it gives +1 of intelligence while the bottle is held.
  • When filled with 5 spheres (each of 50 headspace) of misc spells, it gives +2 of intelligence while the bottle is held.

The Klein bottle weighs 4/9 lb.

Spell containment

To catch escaped spells, you need to hold a (closed) klein bottle and you must be armed with a blue funnel, which is a weapon of type misc.


You can capture at least 8 spheres of energy of escaped spells in the same Klein bottle.

It is unknown if you can mix different colours and even if there are different colours.

It has been hinted that Klein bottles filled with energy forms might be used as energy source or component in future spells.

The following needs retesting.research

If you open a klein bottle containing escaped spells one will all escape into the room and attack you and the others will dissipate. If there are other escaped spells in the room they will join in the attack.

Filled klein bottles used to be a light source but that was removed.

Thrown filled bottles sometimes explode in a fireball but this doesn't seem to deal any damage.

Where to get one

At the glassblower George on Cunning Artificers in Ankh-Morpork a bit west of Short Street.

The bottles cost $2.50 and the colour chosen seems to be irrelevant to the final product.

You need to raise the backgroun thaums to about 50-60 before requesting a bottle, which will drain some thaums from the room. If you are a witch or wizard George should give it to you.

The Klein bottle weighs 4/9 lb.

If you're not a magic user then ?research

request bottle made from violet glass
You hand some coins to George.
George retrieves a glass bulb from the box.

George gets to work blowing the glass bulb into a bottle.
George puts the bulb into a metal container.
George puts the container in the furnace.
George waits until the bulb is molten glass.
George dips a metal tube into the container.
George removes the container from the furnace and allows it to cool a little.
George says: I make and sell all kinds of bottles and other glassware.  Please read the sign for prices.
George pulls the tube and the glass bulb from the container, but something doesn't look quite right.
George holds the tube into the furnace and blows till his cheeks turn red.
George forms a big bulbous shape at the end of the tube which distorts the space around it like a fishbowl lens!
George works the tube into the shape of a bottle.  All the while it twists and pulls the fabric of the world into itself!
George waits for the bottle to cool.

George looks at the bottle thoughtfully.
George says: It's the magic that does it, messes around with stuff.
George says: But I guess you'd know more about that than me, being one of them witches.
George asks: It's not exactly what you ordered but maybe you could find a good use for it?
George exclaims: Nothing wrong with my bottles, despite what they say!
George says: Anyway, like the sign says, "No Refunds!", so you might as well.
George exclaims: I'd be very careful with it though, looks extremely fragile!

l bottle

This is a mind-bendingly paradoxical Klein bottle which has the revolutionary property of not being able
to hold anything at all on account of having no volume.  A student discovered the ingeniously intricate shape at
the back of a lecture theatre, as he was trying to make a paper giraffe out of thaumic funnel paper.  This one,
however, has been skilfully blown from glass.
It has the hazy octarine sparkle of a magical talisman.
It is in excellent condition.
It is open.

Opening filled bottles

?

Probably nothing good.

See also

Filing cabinet.gif Old content for this page has been archived, and can be found at the following locations.
Klein bottle/Archive 1

Obsolete data

To see the information about the old Klein bottles see the Archive.