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:: However: I have no idea how to reconcile this with the fact I don't believe Babylon was any of the cities because it was explicitly mentioned in the Things, and that the Second City relics indicate that it's this one that comes from Mesopotamia. It doesn't sound Right that both the First and Second would be from there. Or the Egyptian theory being much stronger--Siilaan [[Special:Contributions/217.23.247.100|217.23.247.100]] 08:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:: However: I have no idea how to reconcile this with the fact I don't believe Babylon was any of the cities because it was explicitly mentioned in the Things, and that the Second City relics indicate that it's this one that comes from Mesopotamia. It doesn't sound Right that both the First and Second would be from there. Or the Egyptian theory being much stronger--Siilaan [[Special:Contributions/217.23.247.100|217.23.247.100]] 08:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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::It's a fair point that Babylon being explitly named is suspicious, but several things: 1) We know the name of London, so explicitly naming cities is not Out, 2) The 'when babylon fell' comment has a double meaning, as opposed to say 'When babylon became the second city', so the ambiguity there can be part of the mystique, 3) We've never heard anywhere that the names of the cities are actually secret, just that they don't get talked about and that as time has passed, memory of them as faded.  Nineveh would be a perfectly valid suggestion for the second city - there's nothing aside from the Babylon quote that suggests the Mesopotamiam city (which I'm sure the second city is) was Babylon as opposed to any other suitable city.  It's just... Babylon is 'one of those cities' that fits into this kind of thing.  [[User:Drakkos|Drakkos]] 17:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  
 
==The Third City==
 
==The Third City==

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Hints and Tricks

Get 9 extra fast regens

Try to end up with 0 Actions on your candle and 1 left for the day. Allow your candle to regen to 10. These actions will regen at the normal rate. Once you have ten, use them, then your regen rate will drop to half hour. The half hour regens are triggered not by regenerating your last action but by using an action with 1 regen left. Once you've used those ten, Echo to Twitter to get another ten, then spend any fate points you can to get more regens. Just before your regens return to normal rate, use the ten that accrued while you were asleep. Then you'll be ready to take advantage of the faster regen rate as soon as it appears.

Recognise the two levels of Chancy Storylets

When a Storylet first drops from High Risk to Chancy, you'll still fail more than you succeed. Get one more level of the required attribute. The difficulty will still be Chancy, but now you'll succeed much more than you fail. Use this to climb the ladder and earn maximum payments for storylets.

Nightmares

Certain cards will always increase your nightmares, certain cards will always reduce them. More often than not, you'll get fate when you increase your nightmares with Red-bordered cards. To reduce your nightmares, Drink laudanum. It'll likely wound you, so be sure to have a Hearty Meal. You can also decrease nightmares by using Sudden Insight and relieving your fears to a friend, drinking wine at the refreshment booth of the carnival, or at level 18 Dangerous will allow you to do Guard Duty at the Observatory which occasionally gives a decrease in nightmares along with the usual reward.

You can also reduce nightmares with "A Moment's Peace" opportunity, which will also give you a slight boost to Persuasive. When you get to Nightmares 5, the storylet "A Cheery Gentleman" will become available, which will greatly increase your nightmares. Don't pick this if you want to keep them down!

Connections

Animal Face cards allow you to trade connections for skill ups. Generally this isn't worth it, as the skills can be advanced elsewhere, and advancing connections, at least until you've reached rank 3 and can using the Carnival, are difficult.

Things

See Bazaar Things.

Theories

Relevant Things

Look: an eye. The city around the Bazaar is called the Fifth City because, they say, it's not the first the Bazaar chose as a home. You can still turn up bricks from the older cities, now and then. Look: here's one marked with an eye.

What was the First City? Only two things are known to remain of the First City: the name, the Crossroads Shaded By Cedars, and the saying: even the First City was young when Babylon fell.

What's the problem with the Second City? Never mention the Second City to the Masters of the Bazaar. Mr Wines will look at you narrowly and give you his worst vintage. Mr Cups will fly into a rage. Mr Veils will harangue you for your discourtesy. Mr Iron will say nothing, only write down your name with its left hand.

What was the Third City? No-one talks much about the cities that preceded London. The Third City seems to have been acquired a thousand years ago. It had five wells, they say. And the weather was better.

What can you find in the Forgotten Quarter? The Quarter is the last remnant of the Fourth City, which the Bazaar acquired five hundred years ago. Statues of warrior-kings line silent avenues. A fountain shaped like a silver tree stands before a ruined palace at its heart.

Fourth City relics Who carves horse-head amulets out of bone? Whoever lived in the Fourth City. If all the Fourth City amulets on sale are real, they must really have liked horses.

Relevant Items

  • Relic of the Second City: Gypsum heads and indecipherable clay tablets
  • Relic of the Third City: Cinnabar beads and little square granite gods
  • Relic of the Fourth City: Horsehead amulets carved from bone and blue-glazed potsherds (sic)

The First City

Rome

  • I feel like, if I was writing Echo Bazaar... I'd want to make the First City be Rome. I have nothing to back this up, it just "feels right". Dasquian 12:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Breaking news: Rome is OUT. From one of the Correspondance things: "They say it's the letter the Pope wrote, the one without which Rome would have been the Fourth City." If Rome was potentially the Fourth City, it presumably wasn't any of ones before it. Dasquian 23:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Egypt

Could the first city perhaps be Egyptian? I base this on only a handful of clues - primarily that the Masters have a contempt for Egyptology, and that one of the hints talks about the bricks of the First City as being visible in places, and being marked with an eye (such as, for example, the Eye of Horus). Interestingly, according to Wikipedia, 'In the Ancient Egyptian measurement system, the Eye Of Horus defined Old Kingdom number one', which is very narratively neat. Drakkos 18:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

My bad - looks like the Thing about the eye (now added above) didn't explicitly reference the First City. The theory still holds, but isn't quite as strong. --Dasquian 22:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

To square it with the 'the first city was young when Babylon fell' comment, I am increasingly tending towards the interpretation that the cities are dated from when they are dragged into the Neath rather than when they are founded, and that that particular quote is saying 'It was young because it was a failing experiment, and so our first city was replaced with Babylon'. 'Falling' in this context then refers to 'falling into the Neath' rather than 'falling to the Persians'. Drakkos 18:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Slightly more esoteric - the Starveling Cat, which rules over the roofs of the five stolen cities, would have had to have been there during the first city's existance. Cats and Egypt are a well known connection, but what's less well known is that the cat goddess Bastet was held to hold one of the divine eyes in conjunction with her brother Horus. Could that be our Starveling Cat? The fact that Bastet was held to have been a guardian against hunger (and now is starveling) also provides a link.

The Second City

  • I think the second city is Babylon, based on the relics (gypsum heads and indecpiherable clay tables). However, one of the 'things' is that 'The first city was young when Babylon fell'... one reading of this is that the First City was a short experiment, followed up by the second (Babylon)... another reading is that the first city was just founded shortly before Babylon fell (which would invalidate the thoery). Drakkos 12:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
This is supported by one of the Things: "Residents have been known to say 'since the Fall', to mean, not the Biblical Fall, but the Descent of London. Well enough. But what do they mean by 'since the Bazaar was between stars'?" Dasquian 22:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
The stars might mean nothing more than the fungus glow "stars" mentioned in other Things. So 'since the Fall' would be since the latest addition to the Bazaar, 'since the Bazaar was between stars' would be ever since the Bazaar was in Earth's underground. --Siilaan 217.23.247.100 08:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Very tenuous theory based on the timing of events: the First City could be Nineveh. According to The Other Wiki, it was massively enlarged in 700BC, and fell and was razed to the ground in 612 BC, while Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BC. This would make Nineveh reasonably "young" since it was a proper city, as well as since it was added to the Bazaar (assuming this happened when it was conquered.) It being the site of a massacre is also appropriately dramatic. --Siilaan 217.23.247.100 08:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
However: I have no idea how to reconcile this with the fact I don't believe Babylon was any of the cities because it was explicitly mentioned in the Things, and that the Second City relics indicate that it's this one that comes from Mesopotamia. It doesn't sound Right that both the First and Second would be from there. Or the Egyptian theory being much stronger--Siilaan 217.23.247.100 08:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
It's a fair point that Babylon being explitly named is suspicious, but several things: 1) We know the name of London, so explicitly naming cities is not Out, 2) The 'when babylon fell' comment has a double meaning, as opposed to say 'When babylon became the second city', so the ambiguity there can be part of the mystique, 3) We've never heard anywhere that the names of the cities are actually secret, just that they don't get talked about and that as time has passed, memory of them as faded. Nineveh would be a perfectly valid suggestion for the second city - there's nothing aside from the Babylon quote that suggests the Mesopotamiam city (which I'm sure the second city is) was Babylon as opposed to any other suitable city. It's just... Babylon is 'one of those cities' that fits into this kind of thing. Drakkos 17:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The Third City

  • I think the Third City is Zadar. There is a hint which talks about it having "five wells" and nicer weather. Zadar is on the Adriatic coast and has a "five wells" square. It is also in a region where cinnabar would've been available, and I am led to believe Third City relics are cinnabar beads. --Dasquian 12:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The Fourth City

  • The Fourth City seems very likely to be Karakorum. The relics are carved-bone horse heads in blue glaze, and the Mongols were famous horse-users. There is also a reference in a hint to it having a silver tree fountain, which matches up very nicely to the one in Karakorum (credit to Siilaan). --Dasquian 12:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Why the cities fall

One of the references in the Bazaar links refers to stone pigs lying under the city that need to be sedated. If we assume that the first city was destroyed very quickly after it fell (it was young when the second fell) then one possibility is that the first was destroyed by something they weren't expecting - Previously unknown rampaging monsters would fit this bill, and it would also explain why subsequent cities have been destroyed as they awaken.

New cities are brought down onto the remains of the old one, which would also make it true that the first four cities are below London.

Drakkos also pointed out that Pig in Latin is 'Porcus' and 'Orcus' was the roman god of the underworld and punisher of broken oaths.

Something that becomes a little more compelling when you combine it with the following Thing: These are sometimes referred to as the 'stone pigs', but that's probably some sort of mistranslation. Drakkos 19:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Heliotic 19:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The masters

See The Masters