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==Weight==
 
==Weight==
Essentially, one coin weighs 1/90 lb, but since coins are collectively a single continuous item, their combined weight must be multiples of 1/9 lb, the way it works is that any number of coins between one and ten weighs 1/9 lb, any number between eleven and twenty weighs 2/9 lb, and so on.
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Coins are a [[continuous item]], and one coin weighs 5 grams. This means that 10 coins weigh 1/9 lb. and 90 coins weigh 1 lb.
  
 
==Inventory==
 
==Inventory==
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==Types of coins==
 
==Types of coins==
Types and values of coins are listed under [[currency]].  You can withdraw specific types of coins from [[bank]]s<ref>As detailed in [http://discworld.atuin.net/lpc/blog/blog.c?action=filter&blog=recent%20developments&id=118 this blog post].</ref> and you can also change between different denominations, or between different regions, at a [[money changer]].
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Types and values of coins are listed under [[currency]].  You can withdraw specific types of coins from [[bank]]s<ref>As detailed in {{Devblog|118 this blog post}}.</ref> and you can also change between different denominations, or between different regions, at a [[money changer]].
  
 
==Flipping coins==
 
==Flipping coins==
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<pre>With a small gout of flame, one Djelian ptascp begins to accelerate.
 
<pre>With a small gout of flame, one Djelian ptascp begins to accelerate.
 
One Djelian ptascp vanishes into the distance.</pre>
 
One Djelian ptascp vanishes into the distance.</pre>
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Coins that disappear in this way will send a chat to a random player that something zooms past their ear at high speed.
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<pre>You flip one Djelian ptascp.
 
<pre>You flip one Djelian ptascp.
 
Balefire blossoms, and one Djelian ptascp turns into a bunch of flowers.</pre>
 
Balefire blossoms, and one Djelian ptascp turns into a bunch of flowers.</pre>
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==Coins and containers==
 
==Coins and containers==
Historically, there have been problems with coins in containers and vaults vanishing unexpectedly, leading it to being made impossible to ''put'' coins in them for a few years.  It was made possible again sometime in March 2009<ref>As archived in [http://discworld.atuin.net/lpc/secure/newspaper.c?type=edition&paper=AM+Daily&edition=105 this edition of the AM Daily]</ref>.
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Historically, there have been problems with coins in containers and vaults vanishing unexpectedly, leading it to being made impossible to ''put'' coins in them for a few years.  It was made possible again sometime in March 2009<ref>As archived in [https://discworld.starturtle.net/lpc/secure/newspaper.c?type=edition&paper=AM+Daily&edition=105 this edition of the AM Daily]</ref>.
  
 
==Coin descriptions==
 
==Coin descriptions==
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===Agatean Empire===
 
===Agatean Empire===
 
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{| class="wikitable"
Saveloy-rhinu
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!Denomination
<pre>
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!Reverse
The Agatean Empire saveloy-rhinu shows a ghostly Ronald Saveloy on the reverse, and the Emperor's head on the obverse.
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!Obverse
</pre>
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|-
 
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|saveloy-rhinu
Quarter-rhinu
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|a ghostly Ronald Saveloy
<pre>
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|the Emperor's head
The Agatean Empire quarter-rhinu shows the back of Rincewind's head on the reverse, and the Emperor's head on the obverse.
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|-
</pre>
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|quarter-rhinu
 
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|the back of Rincewind's head
Half-rhinu
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|the Emperor's head
<pre>
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|-
The Agatean Empire half-rhinu shows a striking water buffalo on the reverse, and the Emperor's head on the obverse.
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|half-rhinu
</pre>
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|a striking water buffalo
 
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|the Emperor's head
Rhinu
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|-
<pre>
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|rhinu
The Agatean Empire rhinu shows the Emperor's head on the reverse, and a lotus blossom on the obverse.
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|the Emperor's head
</pre>
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|a lotus blossom
 
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|-
Ten-rhinu
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|ten-rhinu
<pre>
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|a pony
The Agatean Empire ten-rhinu shows a pony on the reverse, and the Emperor's head on the obverse.
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|the Emperor's head
</pre>
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|-
 
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|fifty-rhinu
Fifty-rhinu
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|a monkey
<pre>
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|the Emperor's head
The Agatean Empire fifty-rhinu shows a monkey on the reverse, and the Emperor's head on the obverse.
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|}
</pre>
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===Ankh-Morpork===
 
===Ankh-Morpork===
  
Penny
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Note the Temple of Small Gods on the Ankh-Morpork royal coin - for a long time the small garden there was where you went to [[buying lives|buy lives]] with a suitably high number of royals.
<pre>
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The Ankh-Morpork penny shows the Patrician's head on the reverse, and a ceremonial Ankh on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Ten-pence
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{| class="wikitable"
<pre>
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!Denomination
The Ankh-Morpork ten-pence shows the Patrician's head on the reverse, and a dignified morpork on the obverse.
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!Reverse
</pre>
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!Obverse
 
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|-
Half-Dollar
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|penny
<pre>
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|the Patrician's head
The Ankh-Morpork half-dollar shows the Patrician's head on the reverse, and Morporkia with her fork on the obverse.
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|a ceremonial Ankh
</pre>
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|-
 
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|ten-pence
Dollar
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|the Patrician's head
<pre>
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|a dignified morpork
The Ankh-Morpork dollar shows the Patrician's head on the reverse, and a royal Ankhian hippo on the obverse.
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|-
</pre>
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|half-dollar
 
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|the Patrician's head
Ten-Dollar
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|Morporkia with her fork
<pre>
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|-
The Ankh-Morpork ten-dollar shows the Patrician's head on the reverse, and the Ankh-Morpork coat of arms on the obverse.
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|dollar
</pre>
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|the Patrician's head
 
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|a royal Ankhian hippo
Royal
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|-
<pre>
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|ten-dollar
The Ankh-Morpork royal shows the Patrician's head on the reverse, and the Temple of Small Gods on the obverse.
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|the Patrician's head
</pre>
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|the Ankh-Morpork coat of arms
 
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|-
Crown
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|royal
<pre>
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|the Patrician's head
 
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|the Temple of Small Gods
</pre>
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|-
 +
|crown
 +
|the Patrician's head
 +
|the Patrician's Palace
 +
|}
  
 
===Djelibeybi===
 
===Djelibeybi===
 
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{| class="wikitable"
Ptascp
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!Denomination
<pre>
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!Reverse
The Djelian ptascp shows the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid on the reverse, and an oasis on the obverse.
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!Obverse
</pre>
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|-
 
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|ptascp
Talon
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|the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid
<pre>
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|an oasis
The Djelian talon shows the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid on the reverse, and a seagull flying over the Djel on the obverse.
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|-
</pre>
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|talon
 
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|the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid
Toon
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|a seagull flying over the Djel
<pre>
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|-
The Djelian toon shows the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid on the reverse, and a part of the Necropolis on the obverse.
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|toon
</pre>
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|the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid
 
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|a part of the Necropolis
Talent
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|-
<pre>
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|talent
The Djelian talent shows the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid on the reverse, and the sun on the obverse.
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|the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid
</pre>
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|the sun
 
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|-
Ra
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|ra
<pre>
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|the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid
The Djelian ra shows the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid on the reverse, and a winding river on the obverse.
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|a winding river
</pre>
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|-
 
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|thanra
Thanra
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|the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid
<pre>
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|five scarab beetles
The Djelian thanra shows the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid on the reverse, and five scarab beetles on the obverse.
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|}
</pre>
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===Ephebe===
 
===Ephebe===
 
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{| class="wikitable"
Derechmus
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!Denomination
<pre>
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!Reverse
The Ephebian derechmus shows the Tyrant's head on the reverse, and an ancient olive tree on the obverse.
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!Obverse
</pre>
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|-
 
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|derechmus
Hemiobolus
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|the Tyrant's head
<pre>
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|an ancient olive tree
The Ephebian hemiobolus shows the Tyrant's head on the reverse, and a fish on the obverse.
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|-
</pre>
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|hemiobolus
 
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|the Tyrant's head
Obolus
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|a fish
<pre>
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|-
The Ephebian obolus shows the Tyrant's head on the reverse, and a rack of amphorae on the obverse.
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|obolus
</pre>
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|the Tyrant's head
 
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|a rack of amphorae
Drachma
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|-
<pre>
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|drachma
The Ephebian drachma shows the Tyrant's head on the reverse, and a penguin on the obverse.
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|the Tyrant's head
</pre>
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|a penguin
 
+
|-
Stater
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|stater
<pre>
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|the Tyrant's head
The Ephebian stater shows the Tyrant's head on the reverse, and a speeding arrow on the obverse.
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|a speeding arrow
</pre>
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|-
 
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|decadrachma
Decadrachma
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|the Tyrant's head
<pre>
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|a barrel
 
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|-
</pre>
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|mina
 
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|the Tyrant's head
Mina
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|an aerial view of the Bay of Ephebe
<pre>
+
|-
 
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|tyrant
</pre>
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|the Tyrant's head
 
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|a side view of the Citadel of Ephebe
Tyrant
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|}
<pre>
+
 
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</pre>
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===Genua===
 
===Genua===
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{| class="wikitable"
 +
!Denomination
 +
!Reverse
 +
!Obverse
 +
|-
 +
|cent
 +
|Ella Saturday's head
 +
|Genua's fairy-tale palace
 +
|-
 +
|livre
 +
|Ella Saturday's head
 +
|a birdseye view of Mardi Gras
 +
|-
 +
|forin
 +
|a beautiful birds-eye view of the Vieux
 +
|a view of Genua as seen from the swamps
 +
|-
 +
|ducat
 +
|a symbolised representation of a crown adorning the tallest spire of Genua palace
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|the coat of arms for the city of Genua
 +
|}
  
Cent
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===Klatch===
<pre>
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{| class="wikitable"
The Genuan cent shows Ella Saturday's head on the reverse, and Genua's fairy-tale palace on the obverse.
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!Denomination
</pre>
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!Reverse
 
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!Obverse
Livre
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|-
<pre>
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|para
The Genuan livre shows Ella Saturday's head on the reverse, and a birdseye view of Mardi Gras on the obverse.
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|the head of the Seriph
</pre>
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|a bundle of leaves
 
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|-
Forin
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|two para
<pre>
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|the head of the Seriph
The Genuan forin shows a beautiful birds-eye view of the Vieux on the reverse, and a view of Genua as seen from the swamps on the obverse.
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|a bell pepper
</pre>
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|-
 
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|five para
Ducat
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|the head of the Seriph
<pre>
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|crossed scimitars
 
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|-
</pre>
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|ten para
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|Offler the Crocodile God
 +
|-
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|twenty para
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|an ornamental pipe
 +
|-
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|fifty para
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|an ornamental pipe
 +
|-
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|dinar
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|a pair of crossed scimitars
 +
|-
 +
|two dinar
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|an oil lamp
 +
|-
 +
|five dinar
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|a fire bird
 +
|-
 +
|ten dinar
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|a serpent
 +
|-
 +
|fifty dinar
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|a kneeling man
 +
|-
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|hundred dinar
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|a sedan chair
 +
|-
 +
|thousand dinar
 +
|a head
 +
|a tail
 +
|-
 +
|toman
 +
|the head of the Seriph
 +
|a crown
 +
|}
  
 
===Lancre===
 
===Lancre===
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{| class="wikitable"
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!Denomination
 +
!Reverse
 +
!Obverse
 +
|-
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|farthing
 +
|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a stick
 +
|-
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|ha'penny
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|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a toadstool
 +
|-
 +
|penny
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|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a rock
 +
|-
 +
|tuppence
 +
|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a dog
 +
|-
 +
|thruppence
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|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a goat
 +
|-
 +
|sixpence
 +
|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a cow
 +
|-
 +
|shilling
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|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a hut
 +
|-
 +
|crown
 +
|the head of some king or other
 +
|something that looks like a castle
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|-
 +
|tencrown
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|the head of some king or other
 +
|the Market Pentangle
 +
|-
 +
|sovereign
 +
|the head of some king or other
 +
|an overhead view of Lancre Town
 +
|-
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|hedgehog
 +
|the head of some king or other
 +
|the seal of the Kingdom of Lancre
 +
|}
  
Farthing
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===Provincial===
<pre>
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The Lancre farthing shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a stick on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Ha'penny
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<pre>
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The Lancre ha'penny shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a toadstool on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Penny
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<pre>
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The Lancre penny shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a rock on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Tuppence
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<pre>
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The Lancre tuppence shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a dog on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Thruppence
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<pre>
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The Lancre thruppence shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a goat on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Sixpence
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<pre>
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The Lancre sixpence shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a cow on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Shilling
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<pre>
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The Lancre shilling shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a hut on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Crown
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<pre>
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The Lancre crown shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and something that looks like a castle on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Tencrown
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Provincial currency has been out of game since the early to mid 00s, but used to be found primarily in the Sto Plains and could be withdrawn from the bank in Hillshire. It's possible the "a head" and "a tail" face designs are simply the defaults for the reverse and obverse, used if no other designs are specified - again, note its appearance on the Klatchian thousand-dinar coin.
<pre>
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The Lancre tencrown shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and the Market Pentangle on the obverse.
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</pre>
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Sovereign
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{| class="wikitable"
<pre>
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!Denomination
The Lancre sovereign shows the head of some king or other on the reverse, and an overhead view of Lancre Town on the obverse.
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!Reverse
</pre>
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!Obverse
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|-
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|brass
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|a head
 +
|a tail
 +
|-
 +
|copper
 +
|a head
 +
|a tail
 +
|-
 +
|silver
 +
|a head
 +
|a tail
 +
|-
 +
|gold
 +
|a head
 +
|a tail
 +
|-
 +
|platinum
 +
|a head
 +
|a tail
 +
|}
  
Hedgehog
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===Tsort===
<pre>
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{| class="wikitable"
 +
!Denomination
 +
!Reverse
 +
!Obverse
 +
|-
 +
|heptakche
 +
|a broken heptagon
 +
|three leaves
 +
|-
 +
|para
 +
|the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort
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|a picture of a goat
 +
|-
 +
|five para
 +
|the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort
 +
|a picture of a sheep
 +
|-
 +
|ten para
 +
|
 +
|
 +
|-
 +
|fifty para
 +
|
 +
|
 +
|-
 +
|akche
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a picture of a flower
 +
|-
 +
|five akche
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a mystical sygil
 +
|-
 +
|ten akche
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a snake
 +
|-
 +
|fifty akche
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a soldier
 +
|-
 +
|kuru
 +
|the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort
 +
|a picture of a horse
 +
|-
 +
|ten kuru
 +
|the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort
 +
|a picture of crossed swords
 +
|-
 +
|dinar
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a horse
 +
|-
 +
|five dinar
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a mountain
 +
|-
 +
|ten dinar
 +
|a coat of arms
 +
|a quill and papyrus
 +
|-
 +
|lira
 +
|
 +
|
 +
|-
 +
|ten lira
 +
|
 +
|
 +
|-
 +
|talent
 +
|
 +
|
 +
|-
 +
|ten talent
 +
|
 +
|
 +
|}
  
</pre>
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===Howondaland===
 +
{| class="wikitable"
 +
!Denomination
 +
!Reverse
 +
!Obverse
 +
|-
 +
|wichit bead
 +
|a dead tourist
 +
|a rampaging elephant
 +
|}
  
 
==See also==
 
==See also==

Latest revision as of 01:51, 27 March 2022

Money on the Disc comes in the form of coins. An individual coin can, for the most part, be treated like any other item and be put into containers, dropped, etc.

Weight

Coins are a continuous item, and one coin weighs 5 grams. This means that 10 coins weigh 1/9 lb. and 90 coins weigh 1 lb.

Inventory

Money in your inventory does not count against the 10 items limit for fumbling or the 50 items limit.

If however you have 50 items in your inventory, making you unable to take any more items, then you can't take any more money either.

Types of coins

Types and values of coins are listed under currency. You can withdraw specific types of coins from banks[1] and you can also change between different denominations, or between different regions, at a money changer.

Flipping coins

You can "flip" a coin. To do this, you need to specify the type of coin you want to flip.

The normal result is that it lands on the floor, either tails up or heads up.

>flip shilling
You flip one Lancre shilling.
One Lancre shilling falls on the floor, tails up.

However, in areas wth high background magic, the results are different (and usually result in the loss of the coin):

Something really, really strange happens.
One Ankh-Morpork penny sparkles and turns into a small yellow caterpillar.

The small yellow caterpillar is the same type that can result from Brother Happalon's Elementary Enchanting.

One Ankh-Morpork penny lands on its edge.
How curious.
One Ankh-Morpork penny spins slowly in mid-air, then vanishes with a small "pop!"
With a small gout of flame, one Djelian ptascp begins to accelerate.
One Djelian ptascp vanishes into the distance.

Coins that disappear in this way will send a chat to a random player that something zooms past their ear at high speed.

You flip one Djelian ptascp.
Balefire blossoms, and one Djelian ptascp turns into a bunch of flowers.

The flowers are the same type you get from Eringyas' Surprising Bouquet.

One Genuan cent vanishes with a sharp "spang!"
A moment later, you hear a small thunderclap.

Coins and containers

Historically, there have been problems with coins in containers and vaults vanishing unexpectedly, leading it to being made impossible to put coins in them for a few years. It was made possible again sometime in March 2009[2].

Coin descriptions

The carried currency is made of real coins that usually have something on both sides.

Agatean Empire

Denomination Reverse Obverse
saveloy-rhinu a ghostly Ronald Saveloy the Emperor's head
quarter-rhinu the back of Rincewind's head the Emperor's head
half-rhinu a striking water buffalo the Emperor's head
rhinu the Emperor's head a lotus blossom
ten-rhinu a pony the Emperor's head
fifty-rhinu a monkey the Emperor's head

Ankh-Morpork

Note the Temple of Small Gods on the Ankh-Morpork royal coin - for a long time the small garden there was where you went to buy lives with a suitably high number of royals.

Denomination Reverse Obverse
penny the Patrician's head a ceremonial Ankh
ten-pence the Patrician's head a dignified morpork
half-dollar the Patrician's head Morporkia with her fork
dollar the Patrician's head a royal Ankhian hippo
ten-dollar the Patrician's head the Ankh-Morpork coat of arms
royal the Patrician's head the Temple of Small Gods
crown the Patrician's head the Patrician's Palace

Djelibeybi

Denomination Reverse Obverse
ptascp the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid an oasis
talon the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid a seagull flying over the Djel
toon the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid a part of the Necropolis
talent the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid the sun
ra the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid a winding river
thanra the Pharaoh's head in front of a pyramid five scarab beetles

Ephebe

Denomination Reverse Obverse
derechmus the Tyrant's head an ancient olive tree
hemiobolus the Tyrant's head a fish
obolus the Tyrant's head a rack of amphorae
drachma the Tyrant's head a penguin
stater the Tyrant's head a speeding arrow
decadrachma the Tyrant's head a barrel
mina the Tyrant's head an aerial view of the Bay of Ephebe
tyrant the Tyrant's head a side view of the Citadel of Ephebe

Genua

Denomination Reverse Obverse
cent Ella Saturday's head Genua's fairy-tale palace
livre Ella Saturday's head a birdseye view of Mardi Gras
forin a beautiful birds-eye view of the Vieux a view of Genua as seen from the swamps
ducat a symbolised representation of a crown adorning the tallest spire of Genua palace the coat of arms for the city of Genua

Klatch

Denomination Reverse Obverse
para the head of the Seriph a bundle of leaves
two para the head of the Seriph a bell pepper
five para the head of the Seriph crossed scimitars
ten para the head of the Seriph Offler the Crocodile God
twenty para the head of the Seriph an ornamental pipe
fifty para the head of the Seriph an ornamental pipe
dinar the head of the Seriph a pair of crossed scimitars
two dinar the head of the Seriph an oil lamp
five dinar the head of the Seriph a fire bird
ten dinar the head of the Seriph a serpent
fifty dinar the head of the Seriph a kneeling man
hundred dinar the head of the Seriph a sedan chair
thousand dinar a head a tail
toman the head of the Seriph a crown

Lancre

Denomination Reverse Obverse
farthing the head of some king or other something that looks like a stick
ha'penny the head of some king or other something that looks like a toadstool
penny the head of some king or other something that looks like a rock
tuppence the head of some king or other something that looks like a dog
thruppence the head of some king or other something that looks like a goat
sixpence the head of some king or other something that looks like a cow
shilling the head of some king or other something that looks like a hut
crown the head of some king or other something that looks like a castle
tencrown the head of some king or other the Market Pentangle
sovereign the head of some king or other an overhead view of Lancre Town
hedgehog the head of some king or other the seal of the Kingdom of Lancre

Provincial

Provincial currency has been out of game since the early to mid 00s, but used to be found primarily in the Sto Plains and could be withdrawn from the bank in Hillshire. It's possible the "a head" and "a tail" face designs are simply the defaults for the reverse and obverse, used if no other designs are specified - again, note its appearance on the Klatchian thousand-dinar coin.

Denomination Reverse Obverse
brass a head a tail
copper a head a tail
silver a head a tail
gold a head a tail
platinum a head a tail

Tsort

Denomination Reverse Obverse
heptakche a broken heptagon three leaves
para the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort a picture of a goat
five para the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort a picture of a sheep
ten para
fifty para
akche a coat of arms a picture of a flower
five akche a coat of arms a mystical sygil
ten akche a coat of arms a snake
fifty akche a coat of arms a soldier
kuru the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort a picture of a horse
ten kuru the face of what is probably Elenor of Tsort a picture of crossed swords
dinar a coat of arms a horse
five dinar a coat of arms a mountain
ten dinar a coat of arms a quill and papyrus
lira
ten lira
talent
ten talent

Howondaland

Denomination Reverse Obverse
wichit bead a dead tourist a rampaging elephant

See also

Footnotes

  1. As detailed in this blog post .
  2. As archived in this edition of the AM Daily